Why DNP and not MD?

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I'm really curious about why the AACN wants all NPs to become DNPs. I understand the notion of "advancing nursing practice" but I think that there's going be a backlash towards this because (1)if you get the additional education, it doesn't mean you actually have the stature of and MD (2) what is it that you actually study? (3)if it requires you to get the same amount of schooling, why not just go for your MD?

How come you didn't drink the coolaid?

I like my swayt tay baby.

I live in the south, originally from the north. Reminds me of one of my bosses when I worked a fast food restaurant down in (insert southern state here). I was mixing the sweet tea up and he goes "Put like 5x the sugar it calls for in there, these fat mother (you know the word) love their sugar down in the south.

He was evil but it did make me laugh.

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Lol, that is the attitude of many nurses too, even in undergraduate I had that attitude. Trust me, it was quickly washed away. They should really make nurse practitioners sit for the step one exam. It would wash their rear ends out better than three gallons of GOLYTLY

Lol...

Simple logic would tell anyone that medical school is on a league of its own because of the competition to get in... I am starting NP school in January and I will be under no illusion that my knowledge will be on par with the average FM physician...

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Specializes in Neurosurgery, Neurology.
Lol...

Simple logic would tell anyone that medical school is on a league of its own because of the competition to get in... I am starting NP school in January and I will be under no illusion that my knowledge will be on par with the average FM physician...

W19 from SDN, you're not starting NP school in January...:roflmao:

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Specializes in critical care.
So, I feel like I'm taking a redundant path (especially when the BSN program isn't giving me much of anything).

If you have already started the program, and you feel it isn't giving you anything, you're doing it wrong. Surely you aren't suggesting your bachelors in fine arts gave you any sort of knowledge to build on for nursing.

Between the above quote, and this one:

AndersRN, its not dissimilar to essentially, practicing medicine after an 18 month ADN.

There is no way possible you have actually been to nursing school, let alone, worked as one. Nurses don't "practice medicine". You'd be hard pressed to find anyone here saying they do.

W19 from SDN, you're not starting NP school in January...:roflmao:

I'm amazed at how doctors are supposed to be rather well refined in professionalism (ignoring the obvious occasional exceptions/tantrums we get to "enjoy" as nurses working with them), and yet SDN members seem to have nothing better to do than troll a nursing website. Good lord I couldn't imagine being such an idiot that it would seem rewarding to haze nurses, and then run back to all my internet buddies and giggle like 5-year olds at how fun that just was.

Your intern year is going to be a seriously rude awakening. Go ahead and piss those nurses you are working with off. You'll be wishing you hadn't done that when not one single nurse has your back.

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I have a friend in NP school who told me that NP school is more difficult than medical school because she is learning in 2 years what medical students learn in 4-year...

Well, your friend is a dumbass. They exist in all professions, and all walks of life. I hardly think the inflated and deluded opinion of ONE NP *student* is representative of the prevailing opinion of NPs as a whole.

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Well, your friend is a dumbass. They exist in all professions, and all walks of life. I hardly think the inflated and deluded opinion of ONE NP *student* is representative of the prevailing opinion of NPs as a whole.

I stop answering her call because she seems to always want to talk about NP and how hard NP school is ... Another friend of mine that works on the same floor with her told me she does the same thing with her coworkers.

I don't think she is an 'outlier'... You will find many NP in primary care that will say they are as good or even better that FM physicians.

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"Nursing is part of the nursing model of care provision, not the medical model. Therefore, putting the DNP degree up against the MD would be like comparing apples to banana loaf bread."

Fantastic comparison. It's very funny and probably far more realistic than I even imagine.

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This is one of my favorite responses to this!

I see you work in a CV-ICU, do you have any book recommendations for someone working in a cardiac ICU med/surg floor to help prepare? I'm an nurse assistant/tech/secretary and I love my work and I learn all I can, but I always want to learn more. I just finished applying for a bachelor's to AC-DNP program).

Thanks for any help, and if you're too busy, thanks for what you do!

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Never really understood the DNP for a leadership position. I mean why not just get an MBA they are cheaper if you shop around in most cases and actually teach useful stuff. Its not like a DNP is going to teach you anything business wise, which If you are gonna be "leading a hospital" you sorta need business. Oh wait, DNPs dont lead hospitals, CEOS do. DNPS wear white koats and pick on other non-dnp nurses because they dont have a Doktur degree.

Look look look at me, I am a doctor wanna be, Got my coat, got my D, I am smart can you not see?

What is so complex about nursing that it needs a doctorate? NOTHING. Pretty sure a med surg text book could be narrowed down to around 40 pages, 29 of which are med administration and the other 11 are wiping front to back.

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To much negativity in this thread [emoji107]

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"Nursing is part of the nursing model of care provision, not the medical model. Therefore, putting the DNP degree up against the MD would be like comparing apples to banana loaf bread."

Fantastic comparison. It's very funny and probably far more realistic than I even imagine.

What is the nursing model when it comes to DNP? It's not like an NP would do something different than a physician when he/she diagnoses someone with anemia, UTI etc...

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What is the nursing model when it comes to DNP? It's not like an NP would do something different than a physician when he/she diagnoses someone with anemia, UTI etc...

Actually, that isn't true. NPs per research spend more time educating their patients and making sure they understand their diagnosis, how to manage their diagnosis (diet/exercise/proper hygiene etc), and the importance of taking their medications or other therapeutics as prescribed.

It's the treatment of the whole patient that makes the difference in an okay provider and great provider.

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