While You are In Here..I May As Well Try To Go To The Bathroom....

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Argh. I had a shift from HELL yesterday and it has left me in quite a funk. I am on a PCCU floor and the patients are generally able to ambulate, but have multiple lines, chest tubes, drains etc and need assistance to the bathroom simply to keep from dislodging all this stuff. Obviously the biggest challenge is the elderly, who also have a walker and need extra support, are super slow, etc. I had three of those yesterday and every single one of them, no matter what I went in the room for, wanted to use the restroom every time I went in. One of them wanted me to wait at the bedside, as they were on hold with their MD office to cancel an appointment they had forgotten about and got quite impatient that I would not stand there at the bedside waiting for their issue to be taken care of before starting the tedious, lengthy process of lining up all the tubes and lines so they would not get pulled out before fetching the walker, at which time another set of adjustments had to be made.

These little potty trips took for.ev.er. I am sure it was just a misalignment of the stars that I got three of these patients at once, who all had multiple med times, blood sugar checks and all the usual things that clutter up a shift. One of them would only allow me to toilet her and shunned letting the tech help. And with as frequently as I had to go into these rooms, even with clustering care, I was running like a mad woman. My Fitbit said I went 6 miles at work yesterday.

What do you do in these situations? By the end of the shift I was ready to pull my hair out. Literally not ONE med got given on time yesterday. As we were doing bedside handoff at the end of the day, one of them asked me again to take her. I asked her to wait until the end of report and then the oncoming nurse or tech would be happy to help her. It felt mean, but geez. I understand they were afraid to wait to ask when they actually had to go because of the time it took to organize everything, but with that many, that often....I was so frustrated I was ready to cry. I didn't even open a chart until 1 PM.

How do you handle these situations? Is there any way to prevent or manage the chaos yesterday was? I have been a nurse for a few years now but never had a shift this bad. I can't imagine telling a person who asks to go to the restroom "no" or saying "I will call the tech for you".....but honestly, I could not get on top of ANYTHING with all these requests going on. Advice? On more than half the requests the patient said they didn't have to go but "may as well try". Gah.

I work in the CCU that does not have any aides, but if I worked on a regular floor and had a busy load I would explain that. "I will try my best to help you to the bathroom every time, but I have a lot of tasks to get done so you might have to wait, but I can assure you that CNA Mary can help you."

Problem is the CNA gives you attitude for not doing it yourself and on top of that takes their sweet time going to help the patient! Most of the times when I request help they very leisurely get around to it! But I feel your pain many times "Why don't I go to the bathroom since you're here" is a frequent refrain from my patients too.

Bringing up another a separate issue here.

Not delegating to a CNA because you expect attitude. or they will drag their heels .. will only exacerbate ongoing problems on your unit. THAT issue must be dealt with firmly, so as to have a cohesive unit. It can be done.

I work in the CCU that does not have any aides, but if I worked on a regular floor and had a busy load I would explain that. "I will try my best to help you to the bathroom every time, but I have a lot of tasks to get done so you might have to wait, but I can assure you that CNA Mary can help you."

That sounds good on paper.. but... most facilities absolutely forbid any reference to "your other duties" to a patient. It's all about the HCAHPS ! You must word your response...veeeery carefully.

Try finding a spare commode. LOL

I thought about just getting them up to a commode also. Scratched that... promptly.

The patient is requesting help to the bathroom. A commode will simply not cut it.

Again.. HCAPHS. Ambulation to the bathroom is also seen as providing necessary ambulation requirements.

Another example of tying our hands... as we try to perform "time management".

Specializes in Med nurse in med-surg., float, HH, and PDN.

Like 'better time management' will solve everything! SNORT!

Like we are at fault because human beings and their functions and problems and emergencies cannot be scheduled in a linear, orderly manner to make the shift run more smoothly.

So all the 'customers' are to be satisfied/mollified; while we turn ourselves inside-out to do what we know is right, but also do what the management deems to be the most important things for the sake of the bottom line.

Let the business-oriented management, CEO's, and the Board Of Directors come and deal with our patient's bottom line for a while.

Yuh, like that'll ever happen.

Specializes in Critical Care, Med-Surg, Psych, Geri, LTC, Tele,.

I agree with the previous posters who said "the aides can't do your job ". It's true. My DON, God bless her , told me this.

I have a compassion for my Pts. However, I'm also held accountable for getting my nursing duties done on time. Aides can't pass meds. I can do their duties. Delegation is a must.

Specializes in Transitional Nursing.

I'm starting to see why I run across so many posts that paint CNAs in a bad light. There is no way the CNA shouldn't have already gotten to several of your patients and toileted them.

I like what a PP said about getting the patient on the toilet and letting them ring to have the CNA get them off. That makes the most sense to me, but seriously, if you are busy and the CNA isn't, that is so not OK.

I will say that due to the extreme physical nature of being a CNA, I did have to stop for breakfast and lunch, but always got up to answer my patients.

A good CNA will anticipate the needs of their patients, and work WITH you. A lot of the time I would pop into whatever room my nurse was passing meds in because I knew the patient would need things she/he didn't have time to do. Thats just how some of the lil' old people are. They see staff and start ordering around.

definitely delegate, that's what we are there for, even if some of us don't think so. Maybe request that the CNA meet you in the rooms where you know the patient is going to be needy?

Specializes in UR/PA, Hematology/Oncology, Med Surg, Psych.

Had to double check that I didn't write this myself, LOL. Seriously though, I've wondered lately if something was wrong with ME because so often when I enter a room the patient's bladder goes on overdrive and they have to go to the bathroom. Almost Every Single Time. I agree that it can be very time-consuming. I HATE having to explain to them when I need to get the CNA, but sometimes I have serious time sensitive issues/medication going on. Also, in my unit if you get them up on the commode, you are not allowed to leave them until they are safely tucked back in bed.

I can imagine how well it would go over if I hit the call light...I'd be in HOT WATER.

Also, in my unit if you get them up on the commode, you are not allowed to leave them until they are safely tucked back in bed.

I can imagine how well it would go over if I hit the call light...I'd be in HOT WATER.

Same here. If we bring a fall risk to the bathroom, commode, or stand them up to use a urinal, we cannot leave them till they are back in bed.

Specializes in retired LTC.
Same here. If we bring a fall risk to the bathroom, commode, or stand them up to use a urinal, we cannot leave them till they are back in bed.
This is true in all the LTC/NHs I've been at recently. Major disciplinary action if any problem occurs for any staff who step out "just a minute".

Also, many places only use bedside commodes very minimally. It's an aesthetic thing and a cleanliness issue. Usually only used when there is an isolation issue for 2 residents sharing a bathroom.

This is true in all the LTC/NHs I've been at recently. Major disciplinary action if any problem occurs for any staff who step out "just a minute".

Also, many places only use bedside commodes very minimally. It's an aesthetic thing and a cleanliness issue. Usually only used when there is an isolation issue for 2 residents sharing a bathroom.

You are right. I work in a hospital, and if an employee were to leave the pt they would be in trouble. So if the RN tells the pt, "I'll go get the CNA to finish up here. You take your time," they would be in trouble if the pt happened to get up and fall.

We only use commodes for the people who cannot walk all the way to the bathroom, or if it's an isolation issue. I happen to despise them, but I can see the necessity.

Last facility I worked at, the med nurse was not allowed​ to help toilet a patient if they were passing meds.

Good policy!

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