When good vent threads go bad.....

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2 days ago, a thread that promised to get interesting went south and got locked, and other recent threads could end up that way if they go south. Within the last 6 months, some others nearly ended up the same way. This is a good place to vent and share stories about PITA pts./family members, and share coping strategies on how to deal with the nonsense. It's possible for people to respectfully debate and disagree without letting personal attacks shut down a good thread. (I've even respectfully disagreed with a moderator.)

But there really is no need to bash people who vent, especially when there are multiple threads on the same subject, indicating that what people are venting about is a widespread problem. (Maybe someday, Allnurses.com will have a PITA pt./family member forum of its own.)

Society has changed a lot over the years. It used to be that people respected nurses and treated them with respect. Now, there are more and more people with the "Burger King" selfish entitlement mentality. They want what they want when they want it----right NOW!! They don't care or think about other peoples well-being or feelings as long as they get what they want when they want it, and to heck with everyone else.

The healthcare industry has changed a lot over the years. Now, instead of focusing on peoples health needs (anyone remember the Quiet-Hospital Zone signs?), they focus on "customer service" to attract profits. And the "customer service" focus feeds into peoples attitude of selfish entitlement, instead of setting limits on behaviors that compromise other peoples health and safety.

This scares me, since I have family members who could come to harm because a selfish entitled person bullies the nurse so much with their ridiculous demands and drama, that the nurse doesn't get a chance to check on my family member in time to catch something serious and maybe save their life.

Years ago, there were no specific laws against assaulting healthcare workers like there are now, and there should be laws like this for all healthcare workers. Years ago, no one thought about the need for metal detectors in the ER or hospital, now they are in some facilities and they are badly needed.

There is a shortage of nurses willing to put up with abuse, and it's only going to get worse unless the healthcare industry gets their priorities straight and holds people responsible for their own behavior instead of blaming it on how a nurse "presents herself". Years ago, a woman in an abusive relationship had little resources and protection (and got blamed for the abuse). Now, they do; and nurses should have the same resources and protection also.

Therapeutic communication does help with pts. that are scared, angry, etc. most of the time. It won't help with people that have selfish entitled personalities who don't care about life-threatening emergencies, since their own "wants" are far more important to them than someone elses health or life.

I truly think that if "customer service" and "have it your way" is the future of healthcare, then heaven help us all as we get older and need healthcare.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Psych.

I too am shocked at the number of threads that go bad. And was really shocked when a few times I was the OP that ended up being bashed, when all I was doing was asking for advice on an issue. Suggest we all try to be supportive here, and hold our comments if we're feeling irritated by the posts as maybe that has more to do with the reader at that moment than the post that appears to be ticking them off.

we hasd a family from the firy depths one time and they stayed forever

the man would drift into a comatose state and then he would revive and be awake for a few days and then back again

all the while his family, you would not believe how many of them, they went through several doctors and the nurses would be out of sorts when they were assigned that room

head nurse finally put him on a rotating basis, never had the same nurse twodays in a row except for night shift and they tried to cover for each other

one of the fly members came up to the nurses station and asked who would be the nurse on day shift

she said i know that you probably haven't ralized it but daddy hasnot had the same nurse in a week could you tell me why

there was a nurse charting across from me and i could see her eyes bulge out

i looked family member right in the eye and told her that her father was such an interesting case that every nurse wanted a chance to work with him

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
we hasd a family from the firy depths one time and they stayed forever

the man would drift into a comatose state and then he would revive and be awake for a few days and then back again

all the while his family, you would not believe how many of them, they went through several doctors and the nurses would be out of sorts when they were assigned that room

head nurse finally put him on a rotating basis, never had the same nurse twodays in a row except for night shift and they tried to cover for each other

one of the fly members came up to the nurses station and asked who would be the nurse on day shift

she said i know that you probably haven't ralized it but daddy hasnot had the same nurse in a week could you tell me why

there was a nurse charting across from me and i could see her eyes bulge out

i looked family member right in the eye and told her that her father was such an interesting case that every nurse wanted a chance to work with him

Beautiful...:yeah:simply beautiful! Let them think that they are so important that everyone wants to pitch in!:up:

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

I consider this forum to be a nursing oasis of information, sharing and venting. I do hate sometimes, when some people seem to go out of their way to belittle someone when they have honest questions. Or bash the person rather than the situation.

Specializes in none yet, but I'm VERY excited!.

Could someone please define PITA for me (needless to say Google returned a lot of delicious-sounding bread products).

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Kenny B.

Could someone please define PITA for me (needless to say Google returned a lot of delicious-sounding bread products).

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Kenny B.

PITA = pain in the [donkey]

Specializes in ER/Ortho.

I agree with all of the above. I have also wondered about the threads that went bad. I have been on threads where the posters were simply in a passionate debate and the thread was closed. In others it was closed because it went "Off topic", but I don't understand why that would matter. For example if your discussing sandwiches, and then branch off into your favorite drink to have with your sandwiches it's really not a big deal. Unless a thread becomes verbally abusive I think it should be allowed to continue.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
Could someone please define PITA for me (needless to say Google returned a lot of delicious-sounding bread products).

Thanks in advance!

Regards,

Kenny B.

Pain In the ASS

Specializes in Correctional, QA, Geriatrics.

This is directed towards those posters who are quick to be non supportive on a vent thread. Why not use those much touted therapeutic communication skills with your peers in need? Whenever you "make excuses" for these PITA patients and families can you extend the same understanding to someone in your chosen profession? Do you not understand that we are human beings also who on occasion need support, succor and a sympathetic ear?

I know, after 34+ years of doing this "nursing thang" that it is not all about me but I also deserve some basic consideration and respect. If one cares about doing a good job, has a need to help others and be there for those in need the energy to give, give, give has to be renewed from somewhere. One of the most essential ways I know to recharge my batteries is to be able to share my concerns, frustrations and pain with my comrades who are in the trenches beside me fighting the good fight. We need each other to do what we do. Please do not patronize fellow nurses by telling them that they should accept abuse in any form. That just adds to the burden and leaves nothing but hard feelings to an already frazzled nurse.

This is directed towards those posters who are quick to be non supportive on a vent thread. Why not use those much touted therapeutic communication skills with your peers in need? Whenever you "make excuses" for these PITA patients and families can you extend the same understanding to someone in your chosen profession? Do you not understand that we are human beings also who on occasion need support, succor and a sympathetic ear?

On the recent vent threads that I have seen go bad due to certain posters, it seems that their purpose IS to center attention on themselves and become the focal point of those threads. They seem to thrive on the negative feedback and ire they create.

Specializes in FNP, Peds, Epilepsy, Mgt., Occ. Ed.
This is directed towards those posters who are quick to be non supportive on a vent thread. Why not use those much touted therapeutic communication skills with your peers in need? Whenever you "make excuses" for these PITA patients and families can you extend the same understanding to someone in your chosen profession? Do you not understand that we are human beings also who on occasion need support, succor and a sympathetic ear?

I know, after 34+ years of doing this "nursing thang" that it is not all about me but I also deserve some basic consideration and respect. If one cares about doing a good job, has a need to help others and be there for those in need the energy to give, give, give has to be renewed from somewhere. One of the most essential ways I know to recharge my batteries is to be able to share my concerns, frustrations and pain with my comrades who are in the trenches beside me fighting the good fight. We need each other to do what we do. Please do not patronize fellow nurses by telling them that they should accept abuse in any form. That just adds to the burden and leaves nothing but hard feelings to an already frazzled nurse.

Exactly. Vent threads, for some reason, always attract one or two who get all indignant and come across as smugly self-righteous.

I don't know what's so difficult to understand: when a thread starts off with VENT! you can expect someone is blowing off steam about something. If you don't like to read that kind of thing, then by all means, don't. If you start reading and what people are saying bothers you, stop reading!

It's not like it's Federal Law that you have to express every opinion you hold.

It's happened to me before too, and I said something along the lines of, "if the title starts with 'VENT!', and you don't want to read a negative opinion, I suggest you skip it.' I've read some posts I don't agree with, but anymore, I just don't finish reading them, or don't reply to them. It's really not that hard to let it go.

The way I see it, all of the people on here care about nursing, or we wouldn't be here. It's just that...did you ever see the episode of the Simpsons when Bart got the elephant? Once they realize they can't take care of an elephant, they take it to some nature preserve or something, and it starts headbutting all the other elephants. They ask the nature guy why the elephant is doing that, and he says that, like humans, some of them are just jerks - then it pans out to show that Homer is headbutting the nature guy. I don't know know if I explained that very well, but that's how I feel about the argumentative people here (and on other message boards). The fact that we don't really know who they are gives that much more security in the fact that you can say whatever you want to and nobody can do anything about it!

...come to think of it, some of the PITA pts/visitors fit into the elephant analogy too...

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