What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 16, 2022

19 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I can appreciate your point about "what aboutisms" with Trump.

However I'm not sure anyone geneuine person can with a straight face, not acknowledged the field day some people would have if this was a Trump presidency.

Also It, would be hard to not mention there was an increase of negative media of a sittng president after 2016.

Sometimes hypocrisy needs to be called out and claiming that Trump would not have been blamed to the upmost degree for all the Biden failures if he was president right now, is hypocrisy in definition.

I don't agree that it's necessary to point out "what if Trump were president and how we would act". Not relevant.

It would be relevant if the same situation existed with Trump and we behaved differently with Biden and I'm sure there are examples of that. That would be hypocrisy, not a "what if....".

But yes the liberal press would have a field day with all of these problems popping up post pandemic and look for ways to blame him. It's the burden of being President. I never said they wouldn't.

Also, we have no idea on how Trump would be behaving if he were president during the present times. If his past behavior were a gauge, he would be petty, would make things up, fire people, blame Democrats, etc.

toomuchbaloney · May 16, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Agree. As I mentioned above, I can't wrap my head around the idea of them choosing a student out of the blue for liberal indoctrination. Doesn't make sense. They probably aren't going to violate any privacy and we'll never know.

Welcome back by the way.

Thank you. I'm on an extended vacation.

Justlookingfornow · May 16, 2022

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Oh... so now the protests for the justices is equivalent to a riot or are you having trouble defining riot as compared to protest or as opposed to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government?

Hyperbole is a terrible argument.

I was not referring to the protest at the Justices homes as a riot. Nor do I have trouble "defining a riot". Where did I say that? Assumption is a terrible discussion method.

Were you in a clever way trying to define what you think about what's happening with the protesters protesting at private homes? Defined as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government"?

I'm asking you not assuming.

Justlookingfornow · May 17, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't think the poster is talking about the protests at the justices since they have been peaceful, but the old argument that we're upset with the violence on January 6th and not violence around BLM or other liberal protests. Just about every conservative poster here has brought that up at one time or another so that's just a guess.

Do you believe me to be a conservative? Or was that in reference to something else?

Justlookingfornow · May 17, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I don't agree that it's necessary to point out "what if Trump were president and how we would act". Not relevant.

It would be relevant if the same situation existed with Trump and we behaved differently with Biden and I'm sure there are examples of that. That would be hypocrisy, not a "what if....".

But yes the liberal press would have a field day with all of these problems popping up post pandemic and look for ways to blame him. It's the burden of being President. I never said they wouldn't.

Also, we have no idea on how Trump would be behaving if he were president during the present times. If his past behavior were a gauge, he would be petty, would make things up, fire people, blame Democrats, etc.

Right. I was referring to hypocrisy not "what if". I think some feel as though the behavior demonstrated when Trump was president, set the precedent of what's happening now.

Just childish methods that don't accomplish anything.

Justlookingfornow · May 17, 2022

On 5/15/2022 at 6:45 AM, subee said:

People can't seem to understand that is you don't like the law, get it changed. Whoever the president is, they can't change it. Stop with the whining and blame shifting onto people who weren't in Congress when the legislation was passed. We certainly have a few fossils left from the Clinton administration who are still alive. I'm sure the next Republican will make it a top priority to remove baby formula from those in detention centers.

Agreed with everything except the Republican removing baby formula.

toomuchbaloney · May 17, 2022

30 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I can appreciate your point about "what aboutisms" with Trump.

However I'm not sure anyone person can with a straight face, not acknowledged the field day some people would have if this was a Trump presidency.

Also It, would be hard to not mention there was an increase of negative media of a sittng president after 2016.

Sometimes hypocrisy needs to be called out and claiming that Trump would not have been blamed to the upmost degree for all the Biden failures if he was president right now, is hypocrisy in definition.

Trump deserved his negative press and blame for his incompetent and corrupt administration. He was the worst president in our lifetimes and one of the worst of all times.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historians-rank-trump-among-worst-presidents-us-history-c-span-2021-6

toomuchbaloney · May 17, 2022

46 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I was not referring to the protest at the Justices homes as a riot. Nor do I have trouble "defining a riot". Where did I say that? Assumption is a terrible discussion method.

Were you in a clever way trying to define what you think about what's happening with the protesters protesting at private homes? Defined as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government"?

I'm asking you not assuming.

What's happening at the justices homes is public and peaceful protest, that much is obvious. I'm not clear what rioting you were referencing.

toomuchbaloney · May 17, 2022

15 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Right. I was referring to hypocrisy not "what if". I think some feel as though the behavior demonstrated when Trump was president, set the precedent of what's happening now.

Just childish methods that don't accomplish anything.

What precedent set by Trump that's repeated now are you referencing?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 17, 2022

50 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Do you believe me to be a conservative? Or was that in reference to something else?

I think you're probably middle of the road with right leaning. Your post "Riots are okay for some but not.all. Protests are not riots depending on your beliefs or what's being protested. It's okay to discriminate against certain groups but not others. Some groups cannot be racist and other groups are racists determin..." about hypocrisy lead me to this thought.

But you can clarify that for me if you choose do or not.

That being said, just about every conservative on this forum when confronted with the unpleasantness of the violence on January 6th deflects to "what about the violence of BLM or other riots, which is that okay and this isn't" which you seemed to do. One thing I don't like, and I've called out liberals here because they do it often, a change of subject with a "well you're upset about this, but what about........" or "liberals would be outraged if Trump was president" so as to avoid the topic.

I'm middle of the road leaning to the left. I don't mind being liberal or woke or saying so. But I also don't mind acknowledging the flaws in people I vote for, or liberal policies that I don't like or calling out liberals here in these forums. For example, I think I got some posters to stop calling Trump childish names during his Presidency like "the Orange one" or "Cheeto" Such things have no place in mature discussion.

Justlookingfornow · May 17, 2022

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump deserved his negative press and blame for his incompetent and corrupt administration. He was the worst president in our lifetimes and one of the worst of all times.

https://www.businessinsider.com/historians-rank-trump-among-worst-presidents-us-history-c-span-2021-6

I seem you have a hatred for Trump. I do not think Biden is a good president but I don't hate him. I would like him to do good things in his Presidency but not relish in the negatives. He's the POTUS, he fails, America fails. Seems self destructive.

I can find several negative Trump articles and negative Biden ones too. The bottom line is approx half the nation voted for Trump, more voted for Biden. I wouldn't tell the nation that half of them voted for terrible president on either side. As I say, the voters take the credibility in my opinion. Not a sea of negative analysis' for either of the two. The votes are a much more credible source in my opinion.

Justlookingfornow · May 17, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I think you're probably middle of the road with right leaning. Your post "Riots are okay for some but not.all. Protests are not riots depending on your beliefs or what's being protested. It's okay to discriminate against certain groups but not others. Some groups cannot be racist and other groups are racists determin..." about hypocrisy lead me to this thought.

But you can clarify that for me if you choose do or not.

That being said, just about every conservative on this forum when confronted with the unpleasantness of the violence on January 6th deflects to "what about the violence of BLM or other riots, which is that okay and this isn't" which you seemed to do. One thing I don't like, and I've called out liberals here because they do it often, a change of subject with a "well you're upset about this, but what about........" or "liberals would be outraged if Trump was president" so as to avoid the topic.

I'm middle of the road leaning to the left. I don't mind being liberal or woke or saying so. But I also don't mind acknowledging the flaws in people I vote for, or liberal policies that I don't like or calling out liberals here in these forums. For example, I think I got some posters to stop calling Trump childish names during his Presidency like "the Orange one" or "Cheeto" Such things have no place in mature discussion.

I think you made a fair assessment.

I think violence is abhorrent, Jan 6 and BLM riots included. I have a tendency to be fair so that may translate into " whataboutisms" to some. In my opinion I do see a difference in the way it reported by our media. I do not use this to deflect a point but rather to point out unfairness. I would point this out for either side and I have.

I make my conclusion based on a person's character not their skin color. I hold no accountability of any race or culture for atrocities of the past or present. Humans have a equally nasty history.

I believe in life but will also take into account all life, including a woman, including the fact that if there is not safe abortions,then deadly non safe abortions will occur. This will result in a loss of life. I do not agree with late term abortions for any another reason than saving a mother's life,but all efforts to save the fetus/baby as well. This isn't really an abortion, if it is then I've had a few. 1 emergency c section, 1 elective and the other 2 I had to as the risk of hemorrhage was too high for vbac. Extreme congenital abnormalities that will cause suffering for the born baby may be a decision for the parents and their Dr.

I do not define myself by political parties but if that makes me right of center than I guess I am to some. I like the term I heard a few days ago, " non political binary". Aptly applied by my teenage daughter!