What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Cclm, LPN · Dec 3, 2021

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are you denying that a violent mob broke into the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election results on 010621?

What might an internal threat include when considering how to protect a democratic republic?

That quoted bit is hyperbolic baloney, intended to inflame people. You should provide a citation that informs your sharp opinion and prove me right.

Yes. Violent people stomed the capital, a few out of many other that were there. You know, like mostly peaceful but actually true! . It was no more an "insurrection" than when people stormed it during the Kavanaugh proceedings. No one has even been charged with insurrection. Calling it such is hyperbolic baloney intended to inflame people.

I read the entire dem abortion bill that's where I formed my opinion.

Considering I have provided sources in the past in which you did not even read and the fact you will just try and discredit the source , you cite something refuting my opinion. Prove me wrong. How aboot that?

Cclm, LPN · Dec 3, 2021

15 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

You initially seemed like you were going to oppose the comments made about Omar, but then instead offered reasons why they were justified.

Benefit of the doubt is that you meant to, but forgot to include that you weren't defending Boebert's comments.

I do oppose the comments but some seem to be silent on the comments made by Omar.

I do not think comments by Boeberts's are helpful or appropriate. However some of the things that came from that Omar's mouth are disgusting and do not get mentioned.

I take offense to the inference to the Muslium people, as for Omar she can just shut her trap

Cclm, LPN · Dec 4, 2021

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are you denying that a violent mob broke into the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election results on 010621?

What might an internal threat include when considering how to protect a democratic republic?

That quoted bit is hyperbolic baloney, intended to inflame people. You should provide a citation that informs your sharp opinion and prove me right.

Some people did something on Jan 6. A good way to protect the capital was for Pelosi to allow the national guard in. Considering they had all this evil white supremist neo nazi poc info that something was going to happen. That would be a start!

If there was insurrection, charge people with it. However they have not and the FBI said there was no evidence of a coordinated attempt by Trump or affiliates to a pre planning. That coming from a very bias political law agency the FBI. The only way you can trust what the FBI says you have to be surprised as it goes against their political ideology/agenda.

We'll see about this Jan 6 committee. Won't add up to much more than another "Russian Collition" and Steele dossier.... but the dems will keep going on and on about it I'm sure.... perhaps they should make Jan. 6 a Holliday?

The day some people did something that was worse than 9/11 by white, black and brown neo nazis!! Hahaha. Dumb

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 4, 2021

4 hours ago, Cclm said:

I didn't mean to. I thought it was about the other republican twit. So if a topic has been discussed it can never be brought up again? Didn't tead that in the TOS

You can't bring up any topic you want to and I didn't indicate that you can't, but in case you're wondering why no one wants to talk about your change in topic it's because it's old news.

Cclm, LPN · Dec 4, 2021

31 minutes ago, Tweety said:

You can't bring up any topic you want to and I didn't indicate that you can't, but in case you're wondering why no one wants to talk about your change in topic it's because it's old news.

I wasn't wondering but makes sense. Thanks Tweety ?

MunoRN, RN · Dec 4, 2021

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Some people did something on Jan 6. A good way to protect the capital was for Pelosi to allow the national guard in. Considering they had all this evil white supremist neo nazi poc info that something was going to happen. That would be a start!

If there was insurrection, charge people with it. However they have not and the FBI said there was no evidence of a coordinated attempt by Trump or affiliates to a pre planning. That coming from a very bias political law agency the FBI. The only way you can trust what the FBI says you have to be surprised as it goes against their political ideology/agenda.

We'll see about this Jan 6 committee. Won't add up to much more than another "Russian Collition" and Steele dossier.... but the dems will keep going on and on about it I'm sure.... perhaps they should make Jan. 6 a Holliday?

The day some people did something that was worse than 9/11 by white, black and brown neo nazis!! Hahaha. Dumb

Of the 200 or so people charged with crimes during the Kenosha riots, not a single one was charged with "rioting" so you're saying that means it wasn't actually a riot?

toomuchbaloney · Dec 4, 2021

5 hours ago, Cclm said:

Yes. Violent people stomed the capital, a few out of many other that were there. You know, like mostly peaceful but actually true! . It was no more an "insurrection" than when people stormed it during the Kavanaugh proceedings. No one has even been charged with insurrection. Calling it such is hyperbolic baloney intended to inflame people.

I read the entire dem abortion bill that's where I formed my opinion.

Considering I have provided sources in the past in which you did not even read and the fact you will just try and discredit the source , you cite something refuting my opinion. Prove me wrong. How aboot that?

So you are okay with stopping the function of the US government, because of a lie about election integrity? Good to know. That sort of anti-American sentiment is dangerous, as evidenced by the acceptance of the violence as simple protest. Next those same conservative voices will applaud the actual over throwing of official election results because someone didn't like the results and claimed a rigged election.

I don't believe that you read the entire bill just like you don't believe that I read your citations. The difference is that I provide you evidence that I read your citations by quoting from them when I ask you questions about the content or context and you provided noting but the right wing rhetoric that you heard or read somewhere. Perhaps that reality was too uncomfortable for you to acknowledge and so you decided to talk crap instead.

I don't need to prove you wrong, you regularly prove yourself wrong with little assistance from others in your zeal to make a conservative point rather than to simply discuss a topic.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 4, 2021

5 hours ago, Cclm said:

I do oppose the comments but some seem to be silent on the comments made by Omar.

I do not think comments by Boeberts's are helpful or appropriate. However some of the things that came from that Omar's mouth are disgusting and do not get mentioned.

I take offense to the inference to the Muslium people, as for Omar she can just shut her trap

Quote the comments which upset you. Go ahead. Be specific about your outrage. Give us the full Omar quote rather than a snippet. You believe that Boebert's obvious racism and anti-islamic language is unhelpful but that Omar's language is disgusting but I doubt that you can specify why.

Why should Omar shut her trap while Boebert runs hers? Don't they both get to share in first amendment rights? What Muslim inference is offensive to you?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 4, 2021

Okay, I'll go there again. We discussed in 2019 some of her offensive comments at the time she made then. So, "some people remain silent about her" is a false statement. She apologized and a lot of us here criticized her.

I suppose that when someone makes offensive remarks to Omar, it's natural to comeback with "what about the offensive remarks she's made in the past". As if two wrongs make a right, as if the offensive remarks to her are lessened because she's an offensive person herself. I get that. Sometimes you get what you give.

However, when we are talking about comments made against her, we shouldn't be criticized for not changing the subject to offensive comments she's made in the past. That's lame.

Back in June she had to clarify herself again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57436573

I really do get tired of Israel being an off-limits topic. That we can continue to send them billions and we're not allowed to criticize them. But especially we can't let a Muslim congressperson criticize them. There are times when Israel's actions resemble a terrorist state and they need to be called out without sugar coating it.

So again, the idea that people remain silent about her is false. Her own party criticizes her.

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Ilhan Omar has proven to be a recurring headache for Democratic congressional leadership. While there may be elected officials in the party who agree with her sentiments regarding Israel's actions, the bluntness of her comments are largely unwelcome.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 4, 2021

The media treats Biden as badly as — or worse than — Trump. Here’s proof.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/biden-media-coverage-worse-trump-favorable/

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In 2020, Trump presided over a worst-in-world pandemic response that caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths; held a superspreader event at the White House and got covid-19 himself; praised QAnon adherents; embraced violent white supremacists; waged a racist campaign against Black Lives Matter demonstrators; attempted to discredit mail-in voting; and refused to accept his defeat in a free and fair election, leading eventually to the violence of Jan. 6 and causing tens of millions to accept the “big lie,” the worst of more than 30,000 he told in office.
And yet Trump got press coverage as favorable as, or better than, Biden is getting today. Sure, Biden has had his troubles, with the delta variant, Afghanistan and inflation. But the economy is rebounding impressively, he has signed major legislation, and he has restored some measure of decency, calm and respect for democratic institutions.

Do you ever watch the White House Press briefings and think about the questions asked by the best informed members of the public? I'm now just sad that in the age of information American journalism seems focused not of facts but on disagreement or appearance of conflict. They aren't giving us information, they are creating confusion and animus wherever they can.

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I suspect my peers across the media have fallen victim to our asymmetric politics. Biden governs under traditional norms, while Republicans run a shocking campaign to delegitimize him with one fabricated charge after another. This week, Republicans threatened a government shutdown to block Biden’s vaccine mandates, after a year of efforts to discourage vaccination. Yet, incredibly, they’re simultaneously blaming Biden for coronavirus deaths — deaths occurring almost entirely among the unvaccinated. “More people have died of covid under President Biden than did in all of 2020,” proclaimed Sen. John Barrasso (Wyo.), GOP conference chairman.
As Biden might say: C’mon, man.
Too many journalists are caught in a mindless neutrality between democracy and its saboteurs, between fact and fiction. It’s time to take a stand.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 4, 2021

I can agree that the press hasn't been favorable to Biden, and they shouldn't be. His administration has been a mess.

But it seems ridiculous that Barrasso, coming form a state with the 2nd lowest vaccination rate, declined to mention the dreadful death rate of the unvaccinated.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/these-states-have-the-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580770-unvaccinated-20-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-texas-study

toomuchbaloney · Dec 4, 2021

39 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I can agree that the press hasn't been favorable to Biden, and they shouldn't be. His administration has been a mess.

But it seems ridiculous that Barrasso, coming form a state with the 2nd lowest vaccination rate, declined to mention the dreadful death rate of the unvaccinated.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/these-states-have-the-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580770-unvaccinated-20-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-texas-study

I would argue that the Biden administration isn't "a mess" as much as it is simply portrayed as a mess by the media. That's what that other article supported, the observation that the media is creating a narrative that was born out of the chaos of corruption and incompetence in the Trump years.

Public health is a mess, that's not because of Biden, he's actually strengthened federal public health efforts. The economy is a mess that Biden inherited, but it's less of a mess with improving jobs numbers and cautious optimism. The border is a mess but that's a problem for Congress, not presidential order.

Biden isn't perfect but he's not a corrupt and incompetent liar like Trump. That's boring now. Normalcy is boring to the media. When you listen critically to the questions that a good majority of the press ask when given opportunity, it's apparent that many aren't looking for clarity or truth for their audiences...they are looking for conflict, disagreement, contradiction, animus, division, etc. When you read the content that results from their questions it often isn't informational about the topic, it's speculative or suspicious elevating disagreement rather than facts. What snippets that I watch from cable television content mirror that pattern. The media gets more response from content that triggers the amygdala and emotional centers of their audience.

Biden's administration isn't a mess, it's just flawed and under immense pressure to deliver positive results in a culture dominated by propaganda and political animus.