What/why do they say our classes are fluff?

[AAC.271]

I'm currently in an MSN program and not in a DNP program, but it seems like a common complaint on these threads here are about how our classes are bunch of fluff. I really haven't found any classes to be "fluffy" so to speak in that I thought all of them were in some ways relevant to learning how to be a good NP. However, I was wonder if you guys can clarify what exactly do you mean your classes are fluff? I can't imagine them legally teaching something totally left field and unrelevant like particle physics or something in class that would waste your time.....

[PG2018]

Shall we design, in fantasy, a clinical DNP for BSN grads and post MSN codgers?

Maybe make a DNP capstone and petition nurse credentialing organizations as a model DNP?

[Jules A, MSN]

I've sent emails to the DNP programs in my state of residence. Both received no reply.

I'm in close touch with people in decent positions at several universities in my area, department chairs and directors, and although I continue to address the concern of the masses with zero nursing experience thinking they are a "Dr" and being given prescribing rights they squelch it like a cold turd. I have also contacted the ANA, AACN, CCNE and responses have varied between crickets chirping and a cheesy avoidance of the issue. Its disappointing.

[BirkieGirl]

I think the term 'fluff' can be looked at critically depending on what exact graduate track you are on. For those of us on a clinical track, taking those 10-12 classes of the early stuff just seems silly when (like another poster said), myself and other future NPs are getting ONE class in each NP level patho and pharm later on, which is what the bulk of our future career will be focused on. For an educator or an administrator or a research based track, then these classes may be better applied, however for me, I've been told by multiple people that the bulk of what I'll need to know will only happen during NP clinical courses.

[PG2018]

I'm in close touch with people in decent positions at several universities in my area, department chairs and directors, and although I continue to address the concern of the masses with zero nursing experience thinking they are a "Dr" and being given prescribing rights they squelch it like a cold turd. I have also contacted the ANA, AACN, CCNE and responses have varied between crickets chirping and a cheesy avoidance of the issue. Its disappointing.

That's because nursing academics think they're slinging some kind of intellectually important...crap? Theories and nanda etc.

[PG2018]

Here's a nanda style dx: risk for poor ROI secondary to lack of sufficient practice pertinent content.

Nice. And you have return on investment.

I'm buying you a steak.

[db2xs]

I am enrolled in a BSN-to-DNP program at a very good school and decided this summer that the nursing leadership class that I was taking which kept talking about "when I become a DON/CNO" was not for me! This is not why I got into nursing. I didn't get into nursing to talk to people about nursing theories either. I told my academic advisor, a PhD, who has since moved on to different pursuits, why I was dropping out of the DNP portion and she understood my position and totally empathized. She said that "clinical" dnp programs are written by PhDs.

I talked to some DNPs at my work and they said their program did nothing for them clinically, but it gave them more respect and recognition at the table. I'm all about respect and recognition, but I don't necessarily believe I need to spend three years and thousands of dollars to earn it.

This semester I talked to another professor who is a DNP. She was very gung-ho about the DNP and told me all the reasons why she thought it was good. She did not sell me on it.

I would really love to get a truly clinical DNP. I don't know when the nursing education powers-that-be will make a change. Does it require an uprising? A revolt?

I do not bash people who are in DNP programs. Hey--what's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. But I will say that i am extremely disappointed in the DNP curriculum. I would love to get a doctoral degree. But I don't see how classes like Knowledge Management Nursing, Healthcare Quality Improvement, Organizational Concepts in Nursing, and the Healthcare Enterprise are going to make me a better clinician. They will make me a better businessperson/manager/administrator, for sure, and that is great. But these sorts of classes should be made available to those who want to lean more toward that path.

[Aromatic]

Nice. And you have return on investment.

I'm buying you a steak.

Your gonna run out of steak soon