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After being a LTC CNA for only four months, I am officially sickened by people who support this!

We had a new admission Friday evening. I'll call him Herbie. Herbie is confused. He has a foley, colostomy bag, g-tube, and constant o2. He has a PSA because he frequently tries to get out of bed, and he uses his call light to request the bedpan (even though he clearly does not need one).

In report, one the leaving aides told me to take a look at him -- I've never seen so many hookups to one person, having only worked in LTC so far. Our rooms don't usually look like small hospital rooms! This poor man was just lying there, sweating -- the DON and I were actually worried about him. We stripped him of his gown, pulled the blanket down to his knees, pulled his privacy curtain and just had a fan right in front of him. It barely helped.

The DON and I were talking as she helped me repos. him, and I simply said, "I could never live like this, and when I get older, I'm going to make that known to my family." The DON told me that Herbie was a full-code and had all of this because of his daughter. And she told our DON that she was "happy to have him out of the hospital, and excited to have him home one day, on his feet and back to his old life!" I almost choked!

Herbie could barely speak. And when he did, you could barely make out anything he said. In fact, the only things I heard him say were "hi" in response to my introduction, and "no, no" when I replaced his cannula that he took out.

I cannot believe that some people are still full-codes and we're pulling out all these stops to save these 90 or 100 year-old people! When the body starts to break down, in my opinion, you can only go so far before someone just has to rest in peace. How can these little frail old ladies who are just bones still be full-codes? Do you really want us to perform CPR on someone when we know it will just break their bones in half?

All of this just hit me like a train with Herbie. Not to mention he has such terrible circulation problems in his legs, they may as well just not be on his body anymore, and for the better. I just don't understand, are you trying to make someone live forever, or just more comfortably? When it gets down to it, perhaps science could just make us live as long as we'd like, all these things Herbie had are just the start of it -- can't eat, void, defecate, or breathe properly? We have the fix! What's next -- mechanical organs or limbs, artificial fluids or tissues or whatnot for people turning 100something?

I went home and talked to my boyfriend's sister, who works in the same facility, about how disgusted I was with it all. She agreed 100% and told me Herbie had died last night. The worst part -- his daughter thinks it was somehow the facility's fault, as if we made some crucial error. He had labored breathing the only time I spoke to him. We all knew he was on his way, and as soon as he wasn't skilled, they wanted to talk to the daughter about hospice.

I think it's just a shame that he went on to live like this, that he couldn't have gone sooner, perhaps when he could still have memories in his mind, or feel a little more like a human being, and not just a body on auto-pilot.

Specializes in nursing home care.

I think there comes a time when families need to let go and allow their loved ones to pass in a peaceful and dignified manner. I believe that everyone has 'their time' and there is nothing worse than seeing the psychologicial trauma put on families and residents by one party not being willing to let go. This is where the skills at the heart of nursing come in, being there for the resident AND their family.

Specializes in Dialysis.

Well i hope you didn't say the negative things ( I could NEVER live like this!) right in front of him! I am sorry that he passed, though. I am sure it is for the better. We have a pt like this in my dialysis unit. She is really old, really miserable, really tired and ready to let go, but her daughter isn't ready. When the pt says that she is ready to go off dialysis and just die, her daughter actually says "well mother, let's at least wait until __(insert next holiday here)__" is this not the most horrible thing you have ever heard? The poor woman is practically crying while on the machine, lives in a nursing home who obviously does not adequately bathe her (she comes back to us still bandaged up from previous tx), her daughter takes her out to get her hair done and buys her cute stuff, but won't let the woman die. She has only one leg, confined to a wheelchair (all the time I'm sure), and she just wants to die! She cries out to God all during tx, and says Help me! Help me! whenever I go to talk to her. I just feel so bad. And you are right, it is not fair, and it really wears on you. The selfish daughter has POA, so the mother has to go on suffering until "God is ready to take her" (daughter's words) makes me so angry. the daughter has no idea what her mother is going through on a daily basis. I pray for her every night.

Specializes in Dialysis.
That is SO awesome. I have made my wishes clear in this regard...I want them to use everything possible, but no one will want my corneas. ;-)

What a wonderful legacy for your husband!

you know what our instructor told us the other day? It does not matter if WE express the desire, even written, to donate organs. there must be verbal consent given by next of kin. so if my daughter one day when I die does not want to "let go" of me and give up my organs, she can legally do so against my will?

is this horrible thing true?

Also, to the lady on the tele floor, relatives can overrule DNR like that? then what is the point of a living will?

Specializes in Ortho, Neuro, Detox, Tele.

well, i'm a fella, but I know what you mean....I think that because they called the code and the daughter signed paper in presence of both ER doc on call and nursing supervisor...i guess it was ok....I still don't know all the details, but it is what it is....

you know what our instructor told us the other day? It does not matter if WE express the desire, even written, to donate organs. there must be verbal consent given by next of kin. so if my daughter one day when I die does not want to "let go" of me and give up my organs, she can legally do so against my will?

Check with your state regarding organ donation. In California, you can go to http://www.onelegacy.net and sign up your decsion in advance. If anything happens to you, One Legacy prints up the form and presents it to the family as to what you want done regarding organ donation.

you know what our instructor told us the other day? It does not matter if WE express the desire, even written, to donate organs. there must be verbal consent given by next of kin. so if my daughter one day when I die does not want to "let go" of me and give up my organs, she can legally do so against my will?

is this horrible thing true?

Also, to the lady on the tele floor, relatives can overrule DNR like that? then what is the point of a living will?

from what i understand, your body at time of your death becomes the "property" of your next of kin.....so, yes they could make that decision

but do indeed check your own state laws

Specializes in LTC/SNF.

It is never too soon to have Advance Directives, POA for health and finances in place.

Specializes in LTC.

It seems weird that you can't mandate organ donation in your will, as if it's just another property you're leaving behind, hmm. I know that when I die, anyone can have any part of my body they wish. I think it's such a waste and crime to BURY parts that may work perfectly and can save someone else's life.

Thanks for replying everyone. Since the incident with Herbie, I've been finding out more about which residents are full codes or DNRs. My next topic of debate is people with Alzheimer's. Most of them are full codes because of the family. What do you think of this?

Because the person's wishes can change every five minutes in severe cases, I think it is best for the family to make the decision. And, I think, if I had this severe of Alzheimer's, I'd want to be a DNR. But most people can still recognize their family. There's a resident where I work, we'll call her Jo, who can still recognize her husband (where as other women are looking for husbands who are years and years younger, you know). But because of her status and disorientation at other times (when I would change her on third shift, she would get combative and resistive), I guess she's a DNR, her family doesn't want her to live with that confusion. I don't know, I would just think it would break my heart to have my husband be a DNR just because at night -- when I'm not there -- he's different. Huh. Thoughts?

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

ive been a alzheimer's nurse a long time and have not noticed that most people with alzheimer's are full codes. i find it just the opposite most of them are dnr's. however, saying that about 90% of all patients that i have taken care of in nursing homes all have a dnr, regardless of dx. there are a few families that just cant get a grip and are thinking of themselves when it come time to decide whether mom needs a dnr. you said that:

"i don't know, i would just think it would break my heart to have my husband be a dnr just because at night -- when i'm not there -- he's different. huh. thoughts? "

this kind of confuses me, but anyways you don't sign a dnr because your husband is more confused at night. you sign a dnr because you and your husband have talked about the issue and he does not want to be resuscitated.

it seems weird that you can't mandate organ donation in your will, as if it's just another property you're leaving behind, hmm. i know that when i die, anyone can have any part of my body they wish. i think it's such a waste and crime to bury parts that may work perfectly and can save someone else's life.

thanks for replying everyone. since the incident with herbie, i've been finding out more about which residents are full codes or dnrs. my next topic of debate is people with alzheimer's. most of them are full codes because of the family. what do you think of this?

because the person's wishes can change every five minutes in severe cases, i think it is best for the family to make the decision. and, i think, if i had this severe of alzheimer's, i'd want to be a dnr. but most people can still recognize their family. there's a resident where i work, we'll call her jo, who can still recognize her husband (where as other women are looking for husbands who are years and years younger, you know). but because of her status and disorientation at other times (when i would change her on third shift, she would get combative and resistive), i guess she's a dnr, her family doesn't want her to live with that confusion. i don't know, i would just think it would break my heart to have my husband be a dnr just because at night -- when i'm not there -- he's different. huh. thoughts?

Specializes in Post Anesthesia.

It has always been my firm belief that my physician should have the final say about my code status. My mother was an endstage COPD home O2, 50/50 club at best. S/P CVA, minimal ambulation and a frequent flyer to the local E.R. for exacerbations. The problem arose that despite her obvious condition the hospital staff had to ask my father every time "if Mrs.*** were to take a turn for the worse do you want everything done?" My father knew moms condition and mom didn't want to live on the vent with a trach-n-peg in a LTC but dad felt as though he was being asked to put mom to sleep like an unwanted alley cat every time the question was asked. For goodness sake- the doctors caring for mom knew she was on borrowed time but still had to ask dad. We have strong shoulders in the health care field. I wish someone would allow us to take the pain of this decision for families that are so stressed by the guilt they feel by giving up on someone they love that they can't see whats best for themselves and thier loved ones. I'm not talking about borderline cases or even longshots with some hope, but the obvious DNR patients.

Well, that was just a wonderful post. I am a CNA and I have seen some of the most ridiculous things done to keep residents alive if not for the family for the next uneeded surgery. I have had to perform CPR a few times on residents because they were full code. One night a few years ago I was making rounds after dinner and I saw this residents call lite go off(the resident always called me mommie)so I went in there and he had died with the call lite in his hand. It was clear that this resident wasn't coming back. But yet because he was full code I had to be making the motions of CPR when the ambulance came to get him and to make it even worse for the man he was intubated by the paramedics and then after they realized (he was dead!) they packed up there stuff and left me to remove all the tubes and iv lines they had put in. So its just another one of our legal issues in nursing that is just a waste of time.

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