I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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Roitrn said:
Oh that's easy. In my children's school. If a student is transgender or doesn't feel comfortable in the traditional sex assigned bathrooms, they use the staff bathrooms.
This eliminates a biological girl from feeling uncomfortable from a transgender girl early in their transition who still possesses the masculine traits.
My other child in high school has a gender neutral washroom so everyone has a choice. The transgender youth are very acceptable and understanding. Being that they have felt uncomfortable for much of their lives, they do not wish to make others uncomfortable.
There is simple solutions that do not have to include politics.
And yet many conservative politicians disagree with you, as evidenced by their intrusive legislation.
If only you said something in this remark that was related to any of the topics at hand. It's almost like your objective is to muddle discussion, not participate in discussion.
Right but alluding to my age , again is an attempt at "discussing topics at hand"?
And yet many conservative politicians disagree with you, as evidenced by their intrusive legislation.
I would agree. However will have to read this legislation in it's entirety before I come to a final opinion.
How can we make children comfortable using the bathroom? Or locker rooms? I would be uncomfortable with being exposed to a transwoman who has not chosen genital surgery yet with their intact genitals exposed in front of me or my girls in a locker room.
How do we make transpeople and regular sex people comfortable at the sametime?
I do not wish to exclude transpeople from anything. However, a little girl seeing exposed male genitalia can be traumatizing. Sometimes male genitalia can become erect without sexual excitement. There are several factors that do not immediately point to phobia or bigotry.
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Roitrn said:
I would agree. However will have to read this legislation in it's entirety before I come to a final opinion.
How can we make children comfortable using the bathroom? Or locker rooms? I would be uncomfortable with being exposed to a transwoman who has not chosen genital surgery yet with their intact genitals exposed in front of me or my girls in a locker room.
How do we make transpeople and regular sex people comfortable at the sametime?
I do not wish to exclude transpeople from anything. However, a little girl seeing exposed male genitalia can be traumatizing. Sometimes male genitalia can become erect without sexual excitement. There are several factors that do not immediately point to phobia or bigotry.
Want a discussion? What are your thoughts?
I do want a discussion. That's why I posted the article and offered some thoughts.
Here are some more thoughts.
One way to make both more comfortable is to get out of the business of telling one group where they may or may not go to pee based upon someone else's feelings. That would at least greatly increase the comfort of one group and shouldn't change anything for the other group unless part of their angst is just having things the way they want.
I've not heard of any instances of a transwoman parading around a woman's locker room with her member in full display. Have you heard of something like that? Maybe you could explain why this is a concern.
These bathroom laws are not fixing any problems, they are addressing feelings.
As you have said, many schools already have privacy options because they care about their shy and vulnerable students who, for a variety of reasons, may require a different level or type of privacy. Most students grew up sharing space with people of the opposite sex, bathrooms even. Does your media report on instances of students complaining about or having a personally negative experience with a trans student in the school? Do you have an example?
It seems to me Trump's Department of Education secretary made this an issue when she advised trans students that they should no longer consider themselves protected from discrimination under the current law. I think that trans kids get bullied in some environments. What do you think?
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Roitrn said:
I had not engaged with the member who insulted me because of their assumption of my age. They quoted a comment I posted to you.
Otherwise, I agree.
Comments to an individual are read by the group. Tone matters. Thinly veiled slurs or insults or sarcastic hyperbole rather than responsive replies from new members makes an impression on all who read the thread.
You've been pretty unflattering in your assessments of me so that's fair game, right?
I do want a discussion. That's why I posted the article and offered some thoughts.
Here are some more thoughts.
One way to make both more comfortable is to get out of the business of telling one group where they may or may not go to pee based upon someone else's feelings. That would at least greatly increase the comfort of one group and shouldn't change anything for the other group unless part of their angst is just having things the way they want.
I've not heard of any instances of a transwoman parading around a woman's locker room with her member in full display. Have you heard of something like that? Maybe you could explain why this is a concern.
These bathroom laws are not fixing any problems, they are addressing feelings.
As you have said, many schools already have privacy options because they care about their shy and vulnerable students who, for a variety of reasons, may require a different level or type of privacy. Most students grew up sharing space with people of the opposite sex, bathrooms even. Does your media report on instances of students complaining about or having a personally negative experience with a trans student in the school? Do you have an example?
It seems to me Trump's Department of Education secretary made this an issue when she advised trans students that they should no longer consider themselves protected from discrimination under the current law. I think that trans kids get bullied in some environments. What do you think?
apparently you missed the guy in a dress raping two girls in Virginia or you simply choose to ignore it. You complain about girls being uncomfortable with a man in their locker room it goes both ways if a trans person is uncomfortable with not being able to use a woman's bathroom then too bad and deal with it.
I do want a discussion. That's why I posted the article and offered some thoughts.
Here are some more thoughts.
One way to make both more comfortable is to get out of the business of telling one group where they may or may not go to pee based upon someone else's feelings. That would at least greatly increase the comfort of one group and shouldn't change anything for the other group unless part of their angst is just having things the way they want.
I've not heard of any instances of a transwoman parading around a woman's locker room with her member in full display. Have you heard of something like that? Maybe you could explain why this is a concern.
These bathroom laws are not fixing any problems, they are addressing feelings.
As you have said, many schools already have privacy options because they care about their shy and vulnerable students who, for a variety of reasons, may require a different level or type of privacy. Most students grew up sharing space with people of the opposite sex, bathrooms even. Does your media report on instances of students complaining about or having a personally negative experience with a trans student in the school? Do you have an example?
It seems to me Trump's Department of Education secretary made this an issue when she advised trans students that they should no longer consider themselves protected from discrimination under the current law. I think that trans kids get bullied in some environments. What do you think?
Isn't it the same? Isn't one group also telling the other what bathroom they can/should be used? Why do you suppose we have sex based bathrooms in the first place? Sharing a bathroom in a private home is different that sharing a public one.
Perhaps it isn't "feelings". Perhaps it about consent? Locker room and bathrooms are separate because it is expected that if you use a woman's designated facility, you will not see a member and testicle.
If you want a discussion, then you'll have to refrain from blaming Trump and refering to my "preferred media".
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In October 2021, a female student was sexually assaulted by another student in a bathroom at a high school in Loudoun County, a large Northern Virginia district serving about 83,000 students. The assailant had been transferred to that school weeks earlier after sexually assaulting another student at his previous school, and while the initial case played out in court.
We were not forewarned beforehand that we would be sharing a locker room with Lia. We did not give our consent, they did not ask for our consent, but in that locker room we turned around and there's a 6-foot-4 biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we were exposed to male genitalia,” Gaines told Fox News' "America Reports" Wednesday about Thomas, who is listed at 6 feet 1.
You'll have to forgive the right leaning sources, I found little from the left.
toomuchbaloney said:
Comments to an individual are read by the group. Tone matters. Thinly veiled slurs or insults or sarcastic hyperbole rather than responsive replies from new members makes an impression on all who read the thread.
You've been pretty unflattering in your assessments of me so that's fair game, right?
Sure. You as well so yes, fair game.
Another consideration is women who have been raped. Just as a woman who is raped should have access to abortion to prevent further trauma, so why would you want to expose a rape victim to further trauma with seeing a trans person who may still look masculine ? Or have their male genitalia exposed? This could be very harmful to a rape victim.
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Roitrn said:
Isn't it the same? Isn't one group also telling the other what bathroom they can/should be used? Why do you suppose we have sex based bathrooms in the first place? Sharing a bathroom in a private home is different that sharing a public one.
Perhaps it isn't "feelings". Perhaps it about consent? Locker room and bathrooms are separate because it is expected that if you use a woman's designated facility, you will not see a member and testicle.
If you want a discussion, then you'll have to refrain from blaming Trump and refering to my "preferred media".
You'll have to forgive the right leaning sources, I found little from the left.
Sure. You as well so yes, fair game.
No, it's not the same. There are already laws against exposing male genitalia to unsuspecting people on the books everywhere. Nobody is above the law, not even transwomen. I don't really believe that story with just that as evidence, do you? No one is telling non trans people to do anything except mind their own business.
It's about consent to use a bathroom stall? Do women's bathrooms have just rows of toilets or urinals with no privacy stalls? My wife tells me that even in high school in the early 70s playing sports, traveling from school to school, she never encountered a locker room that didn't have privacy shower options.
As for the assault, IMV, punishing the trans world because of a sexual predator that used a costume to access the victim would be like taking intrusive action against police because crimes are committed while people impersonate law enforcement. Or restricting doctors in someway because a conman broke laws while pretending to be a physician.
Would you agree that it's possible that you couldn't find any reporting outside of the right wing media because the stories are not credible and are only designed to fuel culture war fever among their consumers. That's good business on the right side of the spectrum but not on the left.
On the left you find breathless speculation about an indictment or another stupid or reckless thing said by MTG or Boebert, or Jordan, etc. I don't peruse too far on either side of the spectrum although people do share some interesting stuff on AN sometimes... it all gets stupid and illogical on the fringes.
No, I don't have to refrain from blaming Trump. The man is not above criticism or the law and there's lots to talk about. It's going to be hard for you to participate in these threads if you can't handle that. Do you want to discuss specifically why you don't think that DeVos contributed to the increase in bathroom laws? Her department immediately stopped hearing and supporting any complaints of discrimination against trans students. Do you think that deterred harassment of trans students? Trans people make up maybe one half of one percent of the population. They aren't looking to hurt anyone. Why the animus?
There's just too much history making, verifiable and important news that is also interesting on a variety of levels, why bother with BS?
How would you like me to refer to your media choices or do I get to choose my own words?
apparently you missed the guy in a dress raping two girls in Virginia or you simply choose to ignore it. You complain about girls being uncomfortable with a man in their locker room it goes both ways if a trans person is uncomfortable with not being able to use a woman's bathroom then too bad and deal with it.
Apparently you think wearing a costume magically turns you into something. How embarrassing, unless you write screenplays.
Roitrn said:
Isn't it the same? Isn't one group also telling the other what bathroom they can/should be used? Why do you suppose we have sex based bathrooms in the first place? Sharing a bathroom in a private home is different that sharing a public one.
Perhaps it isn't "feelings". Perhaps it about consent? Locker room and bathrooms are separate because it is expected that if you use a woman's designated facility, you will not see a member and testicle.
If you want a discussion, then you'll have to refrain from blaming Trump and refering to my "preferred media".
You'll have to forgive the right leaning sources, I found little from the left.
Sure. You as well so yes, fair game.
Another consideration is women who have been raped. Just as a woman who is raped should have access to abortion to prevent further trauma, so why would you want to expose a rape victim to further trauma with seeing a trans person who may still look masculine ? Or have their male genitalia exposed? This could be very harmful to a rape victim.
Holy heck... imagining harm to justify these laws is silly.
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And yet many conservative politicians disagree with you, as evidenced by their intrusive legislation.