I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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Roitrn said:
Please quote the exact word that you feel "calls for violence"? How did he "call his base"?
So is he lying or inciting?
Do you not understand what a call to violence is? It doesn't usually include protest. Because protest is legal and a right under the constitution.
He did not say "riot", "uprise ". He said PROTEST.
As far as the "retribution" partial sentence highlighted by another member, He was referring to the 2020 riots that saw many people not charged or had their bail crowd funded. However, I think it's more in reference to the democrats refusal to condem any violence other than if the "right" did it.
We will have to see if Trump still has the power to incite violent behavior from his cult members that will be inspired to assemble on his call. Any time Trump speaks publicly there's his odds that he's lying or attempting to manipulate those who are influenced by his words
Try again with that nonsense about protests and violence... see if you can't get some logic to flow through that thought process.
What retribution is Trump talking about? What does revenge look like in a democracy? We know what it looks like in authoritarian regimes but what do conservatives think that revenge looks like in a democracy?
You're new here so you don't know that everyone condemned that violence while also noting that a good bit of the peripheral violence was not BLM or Antifa but was instead right wing accelerationists. I don't recall having a discussion about the anti-police violence in Georgia.
Do you want to compare violence directed at planned parenthood clinics and abortion centers to violence at those right to life pregnant centers? Let's have that discussion.
No individual's freedom to speech has been harmed or threatened. The DOJ and a good number of legal experts disagree with your assessment that Trump's speech didn't incite the violent mob on January 6th. Even McConnell and McCarthy and Lindsay Graham said that Trump was responsible for the events of January 6th, so you are in disagreement with them as well as a number of other prominent republican leaders.
Surely you are aware that our first amendment freedom of speech does have some limitations and legal boundaries. You aren't naive enough to believe that people can simply say whatever they want without any consequences or limitations are you? Fraud, defamation, and threats are not legal speech... neither is incitement. Laws apply to everyone, right? The laws apply to political leaders and the wealthy even if it makes their followers feel a certain way or gets their feelings bent.
LOL. I've read a while back and hardly see any condemnation from you.
No I do not want to compare. Violence is violence and its not acceptable by anyone.
Right okay, " right wing agitators"? Is this the same as the "left wing agitators" at Jan.6 that would see someone called an extremist for speculating? Are you seriously claiming that it was "right wing" protesters that caused the billions of dollars of damage and multiple lives lost during 2020?
I'll believe and take "the good deal a of who evers" that Trump incited violence when they charge him. I mean if it's so blatant, why not? Until then its left fantasy.
No. I know what is included in the first amendment. So do you. However it is ypu who seems to take issue with it when it's someone other than your ideology.
We will have to see if Trump still has the power to incite violent behavior from his cult members that will be inspired to assemble on his call. Any time Trump speaks publicly there's God is that he's lying or attempting to manipulate those who are influenced by his words
Try again with that nonsense about protests and violence... see if you can't get some logic to flow through that thought process.
What retribution is Trump talking about? What does revenge look like in a democracy? We know what it looks like in authoritarian regimes but what do conservatives think that revenge looks like in a democracy?
You can read and comprehend text. You just pretend you can't for some reason.
He said "no retribution" not go get retribution. Or even there needs to be retribution. He was referring to the riots of 2020. Revenge? Where did he say that?
Nonsense about violence? Which part? The part that I say is never okay or the part where I said regardless of who's committing it?
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Roitrn said:
LOL. I've read a while back and hardly see any condemnation from you.
No I do not want to compare. Violence is violence and its not acceptable by anyone.
Right okay, " right wing agitators"? Is this the same as the "left wing agitators" at Jan.6 that would see someone called an extremist for speculating? Are you seriously claiming that it was "right wing" protesters that caused the billions of dollars of damage and multiple lives lost during 2020?
I'll believe and take "the good deal a of who evers" that Trump incited violence when they charge him. I mean if it's so blatant, why not? Until then its left fantasy.
No. I know what is included in the first amendment. So do you. However it is ypu who seems to take issue with it when it's someone other than your ideology.
So you read back but missed the articles and evidence of the accelerationists? Let me help you out...
Your comment that "Trump can say whatever he wants" suggests that either you don't know that there are limits on free speech or that you believe that Trump is not accountable to legal limits on free speech. You could restate if that's not what you actually believe.
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Roitrn said:
You can read and comprehend text. You just pretend you can't for some reason.
He said "no retribution" not go get retribution. Or even there needs to be retribution. He was referring to the riots of 2020. Revenge? Where did he say that?
Nonsense about violence? Which part? The part that I say is never okay or the part where I said regardless of who's committing it?
You clearly didn't listen to Trump's speech at the recent CPAC. Trump said that he is the retribution. You think that's about 2020 BLM protests over a public murder?
Hey, did you know that retribution is revenge for a moral wrong?
The whole business about protests and violence... it didn't make sense...nonsensical...try again or let it go.
Your comment that "Trump can say whatever he wants" suggests that either you don't know that there are limits on free speech or that you believe that Trump is not accountable to legal limits on free speech. You could restate if that's not what you actually believe.
Oh. So you found some bias books that you know I'm not going to buy or check out in a library.
These days if you do not gowith the left religious like zealous, then you're a white supremist. Hell, even POC apparently are white supremacists. So until black men like Ben Carson is no longer called the "black face of white supremacy " I'll take your other white supremacist sources as non sense.
You're new here so you don't know that everyone condemned that violence while also noting that a good bit of the peripheral violence was not BLM or Antifa but was instead right wing accelerationists. I don't recall having a discussion about the anti-police violence in Georgia.
Do you want to compare violence directed at planned parenthood clinics and abortion centers to violence at those right to life pregnant centers? Let's have that discussion.
No individual's freedom to speech has been harmed or threatened. The DOJ and a good number of legal experts disagree with your assessment that Trump's speech didn't incite the violent mob on January 6th. Even McConnell and McCarthy and Lindsay Graham said that Trump was responsible for the events of January 6th, so you are in disagreement with them as well as a number of other prominent republican leaders.
Surely you are aware that our first amendment freedom of speech does have some limitations and legal boundaries. You aren't naive enough to believe that people can simply say whatever they want without any consequences or limitations are you? Fraud, defamation, and threats are not legal speech... neither is incitement. Laws apply to everyone, right? The laws apply to political leaders and the wealthy even if it makes their followers feel a certain way or gets their feelings bent.
Your comment that "Trump can say whatever he wants" suggests that either you don't know that there are limits on free speech or that you believe that Trump is not accountable to legal limits on free speech. You could restate if that's not what you actually believe.
He can say whatever he wants, providing it is within the 1 st ammendment.
And after months of investigation into Jan.6 and no charges, I'll assume his speech thus far has been within the 1st ammendment. Or why has he not been charged? . I mean you might have to accept that not everone considers his speech as out of line of the 1st? The DOJ apparently doesn't.
It must be very emotionally upsetting when you wanted Trump to be charged so bad.... ....
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Roitrn said:
Oh. So you found some bias books that you know I'm not going to buy or check out in a library.
These days if you do not gowith the left religious like zealous, then you're a white supremist. Hell, even POC apparently are white supremacists. So until black men like Ben Carson is no longer called the "black face of white supremacy " I'll take your other white supremacist sources as non sense.
Books? Are you too lazy to read a couple of articles or newsletters from DHS or are you afraid that you might learn something about right wing violence and the 2020 George Floyd protests? Your knee jerk pivot to hyperbole and BS rather than discussion when confronted with facts and evidence suggests what the answer to that question might be. How embarrassing for you.
And we thought you were here to engage in discussion...guess not, eh?
You clearly didn't listen to Trump's speech at the recent CPAC. Trump said that he is the retribution. You think that's about 2020 BLM protests over a public murder?
Hey, did you know that retribution is revenge for a moral wrong?
The whole business about protests and violence... it didn't make sense...nonsensical...try again or let it go.
Moral wrong? Like burning and looting and killing cities for justice?
We were talking about his Truth Social post that another member commented on. In which he did not incite violence. No matter how hard you all tried to twist the words. Here is a perfect, in real time example. how some on the left misrepresent words and create propaganda. It usually done by the media by not posting the entire comment. Here, it was posted in its entirety. Yet here you are. ..
Books? Are you too lazy to read a couple of articles or newsletters from DHS or are you afraid that you might learn something about right wing violence and the 2020 George Floyd protests? Your knee jerk pivot to hyperbole and BS rather than discussion when confronted with facts and evidence suggests what the answer to that question might be. How embarrassing for you.
And we thought you were here to engage in discussion...guess not, eh?
Do you mean right wing violence or do you mean "right wing agitators" caused the 2020 riots. Like the agitators made the rioters do it? You suggested that the violence of the 2020 riots was because of right wing agitators. I never said a word about "right wing violence" one is an act the other is a name.
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Roitrn said:
He can say whatever he wants, providing it is within the 1 st amendment.
And after months of investigation into Jan.6 and no charges, I'll assume his speech thus far has been within the 1st amendment. Or why has he not been charged? Or at least questionable. I mean you might have to accept that not everone considers his speech as out of line of the 1st? The DOJ apparently doesn't.
It must be very emotionally upsetting when you wanted Trump to be charged so bad.... ....
That's right... as long as he doesn't incite his cult to storm the Capitol and STOP THE STEAL... or as long as he doesn't use his speech to try to extort a foreign leader for political favors or as long as he doesn't use his speech to try to coerce a state official to change vote totals. Things like that.
Yes... Trump was already impeached for improper and unacceptable speech once and he's under a couple of criminal investigations right now for that other speech. Knowing that, I wonder why you would say that the DOJ doesn't think that Trump's speech was "out of line". Why would the DOJ investigate something if they didn't see it as "out of line"? Does that make logical sense to you?
It is frustrating that the Trump investigations have taken so long and that the multiple instances of obstruction of justice aren't even getting action. At least there's actual serious investigation into Trump... imagine how upsetting it must have been for the LOCK HER UP crowd when Clinton didn't even get investigated.
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We will have to see if Trump still has the power to incite violent behavior from his cult members that will be inspired to assemble on his call. Any time Trump speaks publicly there's his odds that he's lying or attempting to manipulate those who are influenced by his words
Try again with that nonsense about protests and violence... see if you can't get some logic to flow through that thought process.
What retribution is Trump talking about? What does revenge look like in a democracy? We know what it looks like in authoritarian regimes but what do conservatives think that revenge looks like in a democracy?