I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
Thanks for sharing your right wing extremist opinion of CRT. Does it matter more if children who aren't black are "terrorized " on busses. It seems so. I wonder, if blacks can handle generations of being terrorized then maybe others can too, eh. Equal opportunity and all that.
So you think there should be a retribution for past injustices?
Inocent children of other than POC should suffer for the acts/crimes of people in history? This will be in line with equal opportunity and all that?
That is a very extreme view point in itself. Do you really believe this?
How would you even know who "deserves" it? Most children are not even distant relatives of the people who committed the historical atrocities. And a child should never be blamed for what their parents do.
No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.
On that note. Are you privy to child therapists confidential records? Are you aware of a study that has been done?
There is just as much a lack of evidence that it is happening than a lack of evidence that it is not.
Not to mention the backlash of suggesting another than POC can be victimized. The evidence is in theses threads to that point. Another member suggested that it is "equal opportunity for a white child to be terrorized on a bus" . (I did ask him to clarify if that's what he meant).
Do you think that attitude may create a barrier for a scientific study group? Would they not run the chance of being labeled as victim blaming and/or suggesting white kids matter more? Or by conducting such a study devaludates years of oppression by POC children?
No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.
My common sense tells me that when you tell white children that they are oppressors and are to be blamed for the misgivings of black people there will be a problem. Just exacting how do you think that young immature minds will process that. Do you really think we need something in medical literature to see that. But since you like study's so much why don't you post one that says white kids aren't harmed by the teachings of CRT. And while you are at it how about a study that shows black kids aren't harmed either. Telling black kids they are oppressed and victims isn't healthy for them either, do you really think their immature minds process that well. Show me!
Here is an example of a grown adult who went off the deep end bc of so call white privilege. So again tell me how children will process this "feces".
Thanks for sharing your right wing extremist opinion of CRT. Does it matter more if children who aren't black are "terrorized " on busses. It seems so. I wonder, if blacks can handle generations of being terrorized then maybe others can too, eh. Equal opportunity and all that.
It is not a right wing extremist opinion. Many people of both political party's and races see the extremism in CRT and how harmful it is to all people.
Here are a few examples (and yes I realize this is not a study)
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Roitrn said:
Okay. Up until you joined we were not discussing "angry conservatives". Any human has the ability to be angry. I do not condone any violent threats or acts by any person if any political affiliation or race, gender etc.
I disagree that conservatives are angry or otherwise wish for no history of racism to be taught to their children or be taught in a way that is racist to minority children. (Yes there is some) I do not condone any political violence.
I agree. Children should be taught all the history. The truth. But not in a CRT way or with CRT like attributes.
Perhaps I can offer a explanation of what CRT gets some people worried. It is taught as a theory. It's a theory that you can draw comparisons too. With an underlining theme.The problem it is only presented in the outline of the theory. The parts of history where men and women fought and some gave their lives to fight systemic racism, slavery and holocaust is not included. Including, if we must "white people". Theses people should have fought for what they should have and many did. Many with all different heritage.
The systems that were built were to include only certain people, because others did not have legal right. That is no longer the case.
I was born 1979. I always learned about the history of racism and I vividly remember being horrified by all of it. Still am. However it was delivered objectively and factual without any political attributes.
People should not listen to political zealots. However they do. What would be a good way to off set the damage these zealots can do? Of any political affiliations?
Do you consider college admissions or diversity quotas, affirmative action as systemically racist or discrimatory?
Up until I joined? This is my thread. I was off grid, taking a break when you joined.
Clearly, in my view, we SHOULD talk about angry conservatives because they represent a group of Americans who are regularly manipulated to agitated states of mind about social issues amplified in right wing media. Some of them represent a danger in our society.
Certainly all people can get angry. Anger is appropriate sometimes. Screaming at meetings, threatening officials or volunteers, or using violence is not appropriate and THAT behavior is why some of these issues are talked about by people like us. We're not talking about CRT because CRT is really scary, it's a hot topic because of the behavior and obvious misguided beliefs of the conservatives who are trying to stop CRT. Similar things happened with angry parents and books. Consider the thousands of regular Jack and Jills who joined in the disruption of the work of Congress on 010621 because they were inflamed by lies. This pattern of inflamed and violent rhetoric and then action is a dangerous pattern, and we should talk about it. IMV.
What is "the CRT way" and what are the "CRT attributes" that you are referencing or concerned about?
Racism isn't political but there are racists in politics. Some of the most well known racist groups in the USA have identified as politically or socially conservative... the KKK is the obvious example but there's also expansive organizations like Patriot Front.
I don't know that I know the best way to counter the rhetoric and propaganda of the zealots, but I know that one way is to talk about it. We keep each other on the right path by sharing the credible reporting and information that we encounter and then discussing what we think about it using articles and data to support and clarify our arguments or points.
Affirmative action and quotas, etc are necessarily discriminatory. Allowing schools and agencies to casually exclude women and people of color because they can think of a plausible excuse is racist or misogynistic. IMV
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Roitrn said:
So you think there should be a retribution for past injustices?
Inocent children of other than POC should suffer for the acts/crimes of people in history? This will be in line with equal opportunity and all that?
That is a very extreme view point in itself. Do you really believe this?
How would you even know who "deserves" it? Most children are not even distant relatives of the people who committed the historical atrocities. And a child should never be blamed for what their parents do.
No child should ever be terrorized of any race.
Retribution?
That's an interesting word. Please explain your use of that word relative to race relations in the USA. Which children are you suggesting are going to suffer because of retribution and how will they suffer?
I can't say that I really understand what you are asking me that I believe. What is the mention of deserving something? Who deserves what?
Of course no child of any race should be terrorized. It's just that generations of black kids were terrorized or taunted or even murdered in this country with little concern from the bulk of the country... keeping things in perspective and proportional is important in this moment as we grow past these things.
Up until I joined? This is my thread. I was off grid, taking a break when you joined.
Clearly, in my view, we SHOULD talk about angry conservatives because they represent a group of Americans who are regularly manipulated to agitated states of mind about social issues amplified in right wing media. Some of them represent a danger in our society.
Certainly all people can get angry. Anger is appropriate sometimes. Screaming at meetings, threatening officials or volunteers, or using violence is not appropriate and THAT behavior is why some of these issues are talked about by people like us. We're not talking about CRT because CRT is really scary, it's a hot topic because of the behavior and obvious misguided beliefs of the conservatives who are trying to stop CRT. Similar things happened with angry parents and books. Consider the thousands of regular Jack and Jills who joined in the disruption of the work of Congress on 010621 because they were inflamed by lies. This pattern of inflamed and violent rhetoric and then action is a dangerous pattern, and we should talk about it. IMV.
What is "the CRT way" and what are the "CRT attributes" that you are referencing or concerned about?
Racism isn't political but there are racists in politics. Some of the most well known racist groups in the USA have identified as politically or socially conservative... the KKK is the obvious example but there's also expansive organizations like Patriot Front.
I don't know that I know the best way to counter the rhetoric and propaganda of the zealots, but I know that one way is to talk about it. We keep each other on the right path by sharing the credible reporting and information that we encounter and then discussing what we think about it using articles and data to support and clarify our arguments or points.
Affirmative action and quotas, etc are necessarily discriminatory. Allowing schools and agencies to casually exclude women and people of color because they can think of a plausible excuse is racist or misogynistic. IMV
I was referring to joining the conversation not the site.
I denounced all acts of violence and aggression by anyone. I'm not sure how else to say it.
Are you suggesting that there is no instances of innapropriate aggression amongst left leaning people? Are you wanting to debate who is worse? If that's your stance I do not see any useful conversation about the subject if that is already what you think.
Are you implying that just because some groups like the kkk are racist and say they are conservative that the majority of conservatives or right leaning people are as well? Because of a few groups? As discusting as they are? I definitely do not agree with that.
There is always going to be racist. That will never change. However race relations have changed drastically in the last 100 years and more. Recently because of the political talking points this is in peril.
I think affirmative action and the like was necessary at a certain point. However there is laws that make racial discrimination illegal now. Perhaps we can find out why lower entrance requirements are needed for certain groups? Asian Americans are affected by entrance requirements for post secondary. Often beating out their white counterparts in academics. What is it that they do that we can all learn from?
In my opinion it would be more appropriate to brings those up to the level instead of lowering the requirements. This will be a long term solution of course.
I do not accept discrimination for any means. It opens up the greater possibility for marginalized groups to be more disenfranchised. It's a basic parenting concept. You can not tell a child that steeling and lying is bad. Except in certain situations or only certain people can do it. If it can happen to Asian and white student in the present, it can and most likely will move to another group. Imo
Up until I joined? This is my thread. I was off grid, taking a break when you joined.
Clearly, in my view, we SHOULD talk about angry conservatives because they represent a group of Americans who are regularly manipulated to agitated states of mind about social issues amplified in right wing media. Some of them represent a danger in our society.
Certainly all people can get angry. Anger is appropriate sometimes. Screaming at meetings, threatening officials or volunteers, or using violence is not appropriate and THAT behavior is why some of these issues are talked about by people like us. We're not talking about CRT because CRT is really scary, it's a hot topic because of the behavior and obvious misguided beliefs of the conservatives who are trying to stop CRT. Similar things happened with angry parents and books. Consider the thousands of regular Jack and Jills who joined in the disruption of the work of Congress on 010621 because they were inflamed by lies. This pattern of inflamed and violent rhetoric and then action is a dangerous pattern, and we should talk about it. IMV.
What is "the CRT way" and what are the "CRT attributes" that you are referencing or concerned about?
Racism isn't political but there are racists in politics. Some of the most well known racist groups in the USA have identified as politically or socially conservative... the KKK is the obvious example but there's also expansive organizations like Patriot Front.
I don't know that I know the best way to counter the rhetoric and propaganda of the zealots, but I know that one way is to talk about it. We keep each other on the right path by sharing the credible reporting and information that we encounter and then discussing what we think about it using articles and data to support and clarify our arguments or points.
Affirmative action and quotas, etc are necessarily discriminatory. Allowing schools and agencies to casually exclude women and people of color because they can think of a plausible excuse is racist or misogynistic. IMV
You certainly have some strange ideas. The Democrats are the party with the long history of racism including founding the KKK. Presidents Biden, Obama and Clinton all attended the funeral of racist Robert Byrd known KKK member and recruiter . And of course Biden even gave the eulogy! The Democrats are also the ones with the current history of inciting violence against their political opponents, and also against people in general with their policies (defund the police, no cash bail etc) which hurt black poor communities the hardest.
That's an interesting word. Please explain your use of that word relative to race relations in the USA. Which children are you suggesting are going to suffer because of retribution and how will they suffer?
I can't say that I really understand what you are asking me that I believe. What is the mention of deserving something? Who deserves what?
Of course no child of any race should be terrorized. It's just that generations of black kids were terrorized or taunted or even murdered in this country with little concern from the bulk of the country... keeping things in perspective and proportional is important in this moment as we grow past these things.
The comment you made suggested that if "white children" are victimized it otherwise was part of equal opportunity because non white children have been victimized .
So if children other than POC are terrorized, taunted or even murdered it is some how necessary for prospective and proportion? So there is a sense of justice when it happens to white children? Is it more of who done what more? I'm really not following this. To me, this is in line with the concept of retribution:
punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.
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So you think there should be a retribution for past injustices?
Inocent children of other than POC should suffer for the acts/crimes of people in history? This will be in line with equal opportunity and all that?
That is a very extreme view point in itself. Do you really believe this?
How would you even know who "deserves" it? Most children are not even distant relatives of the people who committed the historical atrocities. And a child should never be blamed for what their parents do.
No child should ever be terrorized of any race.