I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
So you do not have any evidence then. Only a plethora of deflection.
Thu-ank-yoooou!
Roitrn said:
So you do not have any evidence then. Only a plethora of deflection.
Thu-ank-yoooou!
No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.
Using the mother of all bombs, fallout and casualties be damned.
What fallout and casualties would there be? Using your logic if the flew a drone or spy plane over our country we shouldn't shoot it down. Your excuses are as dumb as the DOD.
As a white person, I have no problem with children learning about slavery, the Klan and lynching, redlining, poll taxes, the mass incarceration of persons of color, and segregation.
I think that one political party, the Republicans are attempting to remain in power via voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering.
I do think that there is a problem with policing in our country and that persons of color, especially black men, are targeted. Do I think all police are corrupt? No, but I think too many are.
No one has a problem with teaching what you describe. The problem is blaming every whites person in America that was perpetrated by a few with the consent of governmental laws.
you seriously don't think Democrats don't gerrymander? Please show us all this voter disenfranchisement goin on. You can't point to Georgia so where do a it?
subee said:
No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.
We know white children are being terrorized on school buses. We know Asians are being terrorized in very blue cities. Funny thing is when I see the perpetrators it ain't whitey. Is the 13/90 crowd.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Roitrn said:
Are we discussing the topic of CRT or those who make angry threats? I took the topic to be about CRT and if it is being taught in schools? I've never heard any parent or anyone say anything about not teaching any history of racism, with anger or otherwise.(I've seen the angry parent videos, I'm not referring to that) They are not angry because they do not want any racism history taught or they want it in taught in a racist way. Or wanting to teach it in a racial bias way as did the "white colonizers". (Note in in no way defend parents that act aggressive or inappropriate. I am referring to what they are angry about and I've never heard them say they do not want racism to be taught at all or they want it to be taught in a racist way. )
The structures of systemic racism are no longer intact systemically. Meaning the previous laws and policies within the system are now illegal. Unless you have a modern day example of this? This is not to say racism does not exist as a whole. Of course it does.
No. History has evolved overtime. Do you think that we teach about racism the same way we did before or during the Civil rights era? Please tell me where that is happening?
So originally yes, at different times it was taught in a different way. . However with many topics such as medicine, it changes overtime.
The teaching of racism isn't taught the same way as it once was. As in pre-cival rights or civil rights era. Or even beyond that.
We are discussing both because while CRT may inflame some conservatives it is not demonstrated to be harmful or dangerous. The same cannot be said for the actual angry parents. Those conservatives have been proven to be potentially harmful AND dangerous with threats of violence and violent speech after they are agitated by the misrepresentations of CRT in right wing media.
I disagree that the structures of systemic racism are no longer intact. I believe that to be a broad generalization that reflects conservative thinking similar to Justice Roberts when he wrote the opinion for gutting the Voting Rights Act. The voter suppression bills flourished in the following years. If that modern day enough? Here's a discussion from a health perspective. We do not live in a post racism society.
Of course we don't teach history the same way... that's my point. We will continue to increase the introduction of important historical fact and detail into our public education system as we move further away from the racist and misogynistic history that was elevated by the while male colonizers who organized the country. Critical Race Theory for older students who have presumably developed critical thinking and deductive reasoning is part of the way that happens. Talking about racism in schools is part of how that happens. Because the dangers that racism represents a healthy society wasn't taught in public schools until my generation. In fact, public schools were racially segregated until the Boomer (my) generation. The teachers and administrators certainly didn't leave their racist bias at home... it was accepted. It still is in some places.
IMV the current distress over CRT is intentionally promulgated by right wing zealots and is simply intended to agitate conservatives. It is just another "wedge" issue designed not to stimulate discussion but to widen division and create partisan animus.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
MaybeeRN said:
No one has a problem with teaching what you describe. The problem is blaming every whites person in America that was perpetrated by a few with the consent of governmental laws.
you seriously don't think Democrats don't gerrymander? Please show us all this voter disenfranchisement goin on. You can't point to Georgia so where do a it?
We know white children are being terrorized on school buses. We know Asians are being terrorized in very blue cities. Funny thing is when I see the perpetrators it ain't whitey. Is the 13/90 crowd.
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Thanks for sharing your right wing extremist opinion of CRT. Does it matter more if children who aren't black are "terrorized " on busses. It seems so. I wonder, if blacks can handle generations of being terrorized then maybe others can too, eh. Equal opportunity and all that.
Thanks for sharing your right wing extremist opinion of CRT. Does it matter more if children who aren't black are "terrorized " on busses. It seems so. I wonder, if blacks can handle generations of being terrorized then maybe others can too, eh. Equal opportunity and all that.
Thanks for pointing out that support the beating of a white 9 year old girl by a black teenager. You need help and I hope none of your patients are children.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
MaybeeRN said:
Thanks for pointing out that support the beating of a white 9 year old girl by a black teenager. You need help and I hope none of your patients are children.
Your reading comprehension suffers. Does this disability affect your work?
No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.
Well there is the confusion. I did not say that about "white children" were being traumatized. I belive that member mentioned that. In a derogatory way. Something like "show me where white children...." I asked for evidence of what she was claiming. Perhaps there is a issue with reading comprehension?
Is it not against the TOS to make personal rude and or vulgar attacks?
You can use your "left wing" (since we are making assumptions) talking points to degrade me and my opinion all you want. I'm not feeling bullied, I'm not going anywhere.
We are discussing both because while CRT may inflame some conservatives it is not demonstrated to be harmful or dangerous. The same cannot be said for the actual angry parents. Those conservatives have been proven to be potentially harmful AND dangerous with threats of violence and violent speech after they are agitated by the misrepresentations of CRT in right wing media.
I disagree that the structures of systemic racism are no longer intact. I believe that to be a broad generalization that reflects conservative thinking similar to Justice Roberts when he wrote the opinion for gutting the Voting Rights Act. The voter suppression bills flourished in the following years. If that modern day enough? Here's a discussion from a health perspective. We do not live in a post racism society.
Of course we don't teach history the same way... that's my point. We will continue to increase the introduction of important historical fact and detail into our public education system as we move further away from the racist and misogynistic history that was elevated by the while male colonizers who organized the country. Critical Race Theory for older students who have presumably developed critical thinking and deductive reasoning is part of the way that happens. Talking about racism in schools is part of how that happens. Because the dangers that racism represents a healthy society wasn't taught in public schools until my generation. In fact, public schools were racially segregated until the Boomer (my) generation. The teachers and administrators certainly didn't leave their racist bias at home... it was accepted. It still is in some places.
IMV the current distress over CRT is intentionally promulgated by right wing zealots and is simply intended to agitate conservatives. It is just another "wedge" issue designed not to stimulate discussion but to widen division and create partisan animus.
Okay. Up until you joined we were not discussing "angry conservatives". Any human has the ability to be angry. I do not condone any violent threats or acts by any person if any political affiliation or race, gender etc.
I disagree that conservatives are angry or otherwise wish for no history of racism to be taught to their children or be taught in a way that is racist to minority children. (Yes there is some) I do not condone any political violence.
I agree. Children should be taught all the history. The truth. But not in a CRT way or with CRT like attributes.
Perhaps I can offer a explanation of what CRT gets some people worried. It is taught as a theory. It's a theory that you can draw comparisons too. With an underlining theme.The problem it is only presented in the outline of the theory. The parts of history where men and women fought and some gave their lives to fight systemic racism, slavery and holocaust is not included. Including, if we must "white people". Theses people should have fought for what they should have and many did. Many with all different heritage.
The systems that were built were to include only certain people, because others did not have legal right. That is no longer the case.
I was born 1979. I always learned about the history of racism and I vividly remember being horrified by all of it. Still am. However it was delivered objectively and factual without any political attributes.
People should not listen to political zealots. However they do. What would be a good way to off set the damage these zealots can do? Of any political affiliations?
Do you consider college admissions or diversity quotas, affirmative action as systemically racist or discrimatory?
The leftists on here get away with personal attacks all the time on here. The mods do little if anything about it.
I'm not making assumptions of their political affiliations. However there seems to be an uptick of personal attacks and derogatory comments? I wonder why that is?
I've tried to be respectful as much as possible. I came here for the low fire atmosphere where professionals can discuss politics.
I'm not making assumptions of their political affiliations. However there seems to be an uptick of personal attacks and derogatory comments? I wonder why that is?
I've tried to be respectful as much as possible. I came here for the low fire atmosphere where professionals can discuss politics.
Libs aren't happy unless they are miserable. They launch personal attacks then accuse you of launching personal attacks. If you don't agree with their view or solution it's because you're racist or have some sort of phobia about a protected class.
subee, MSN, CRNA
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No, no. Heron asked you to back up your assertion that white children are being traumatized by CRT in the classroom. That's a fair question because I've seen nothing in the medical literature that such a thing is happeneing, much less a problem child therapists are witnessing. You can fling your right-wing feces around all you want, but it doesn't amount to a shred of evidence.