Can we address this line of thinking -"We must demolish diploma factories"? The hubris and the arrogance abounds. If we can take anything away from 2020 it is this, the traditional brick and mortar school needs rethought. It no longer serves a purpose, and is not what the future holds in terms of efficiency and sustainability.
The original post below this one fails to recognize the actual problem our society faces, that being "traditional universities". These institutions no longer exist to produce a beneficial product, if this was the case we would not have thousands of people demanding loan forgiveness; if the product is sound, why would it need subsidized?
The real problem is simply this, universities are now centers to push one-sided ideologies, redistribute wealth through preferenced funding, and ultimately prop up a bankrupt government through 7% interest rate loans. Why do you think programs that could once be finished in 1.5 years, paid for by hospital systems/practices/clinics, now take upwards of 3.5 years, with tuition costs that have went beyond the moon; it makes no sense, even more so when you account for the much discussed provider shortage. These dudes are lining their pockets fraudulently, and it is at the cost of students and subsequently patients.
Imagine if banks were doing what FASFA and the universities have been doing for the last 3 decades. People would be in the streets rioting. "Fraudulent business practices" would be the term of the day. Unfortunately, these institutions get a hard pass, mainly due to people like the OP below that feel there is a certain prestige associated with given schools.
I live in Western PA, I went to a 3.5 year program that cost me roughly 27k, I would be hard pressed to go to a "respected school" that would cost someone like me +$90k. I passed my boards the same as the OP did, I and I am told, that I do a pretty good job.
Ultimately, knowledge is being decentralized at a rapid pace, we would do well to recognize this and stay with the times. I can buy lectures, given by Harvard historians, for $10 on Amazon, hours of content! If Harvard is your thing, why can't we make all these lectures available and free for all? Share the wealth so to say? In the coming future, there will likely no longer be a monopoly on knowledge, as such the current cost of tuition should no longer be defended, and we should leave arrogance of "prestigious institutions" at the door.
If the curriculum information is from a knowledge instructor
I was teaching in a CC and my dean wanted me to attend a course in online instruction for a health course (a lot of teacher curriculums require a health education course). I attended the online/in person course instruction although I missed many sessions for other dean-required commitments. I kept saying I wanted to drop the course. Anyway the department cited I was a capable online instructor. I refused all online courses as I was at home in the classroom and frankly I think discussion boards are an ineffectual teaching strategy.
NCLEX pass rates are always available on the state BON site but how do you get prospective students to look there? And understand what these statistics mean? Florida has the most alarming NCLEX passing rates from for-profit schools. Many of these programs are LPN to RN and the comments say you teach yourself. Sometimes there is an exit exam, sometimes students are free to take NCLEX with 25 students taking 2 passing. When I have pointed this out to students enquiring on AN about quick LPN to RN programs, the reply is always THEY will succeed. Maybe, Maybe not.
Please excuse my ramblings but I have totally changed my opinion of online learning IF the lecturer is extremely knowledgeble, open to questions, adds anecdotes on their expert career......and is a great speaker. If you get more than a standard lecture.
Honestly not sure I would notice much of a difference between a subpar lecture be it online or in person. I have sat through many spectacularly terrible lectures in a brick building, much the same as similarly bad ones in the comfort of my own home.
I was reading about a high school that has a dual credit arrangement with a community college where students can complete the AS or AA degree with their high school courses. Where are we determining maturity to deal with complex facts? These H S graduates can go right into upper division college work class. I gotta tell you this seems like grade inflation, course deflation to me.
I was reading about a high school that has a dual credit arrangement with a community college where students can complete the AS or AA degree with their high school courses. Where are we determining maturity to deal with complex facts? These H S graduates can go right into upper division college work class. I gotta tell you this seems like grade inflation, course deflation to me.
Do you mean dual enrollment? Usually that is taking college classes to complete high school requirements not the other way around.
I did this and it was a beneficial experience. The professors weren't even told I was a DE student unless I told them so the coursework was the same
No, this was taking dual credit courses that were meeting the HS requirements as well as the community college requirements. I will look it up tomorrow. But I do have to ask...did you not have to do anything more than any other HS student to get college credit for the course?
Right so you take a regular community college class.
For example lets say you take English 101, it counts as english 101 for the community college and also 11th grade english.
I had to do the college level work, in the class I took at night or on the weekend at the community college. I just didn't have to take, in this example 11th grade english, and had a study that period where I did my college class work.
I graduated high school with 32 college credits, 26 of which my 4yr university took. (They wanted me to take their statistics and public speaking)
Were you with college students taking the same class or other HS students?
Most of these are considered AP courses. They are typically taught in high school, but you receive both college and high school credit. It’s up to individual colleges on what they are willing to accept. Makes sense if you have the aptitude for advance classes at a younger age. I did it with English when I was in high school. Though none of my other classes were up to par to hit the AP level.
Most of these are considered AP courses. They are typically taught in high school, but you receive both college and high school credit. It’s up to individual colleges on what they are willing to accept. Makes sense if you have the aptitude for advance classes at a younger age. I did it with English when I was in high school. Though none of my other classes were up to par to hit the AP level.
Oh yeah we are talking about different things. AP classes are junk
My school didn't offer AP because we were to small. I got the better deal
Oh yeah we are talking about different things. AP classes are junk
My school didn't offer AP because we were to small. I got the better deal
Probably depends on the school. Our college level courses were called AP. We had college level education which surpassed regents requirements (NYS) and were essentially college level courses. I wouldn’t say they were “junk”. They were good options for getting basics like math, English, and a few sciences out of the way prior to entering college. Pretty much core class focused. Most of our local colleges accepted them. But we were to far from any colleges to actually send someone there.
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I was teaching in a CC and my dean wanted me to attend a course in online instruction for a health course (a lot of teacher curriculums require a health education course). I attended the online/in person course instruction although I missed many sessions for other dean-required commitments. I kept saying I wanted to drop the course. Anyway the department cited I was a capable online instructor. I refused all online courses as I was at home in the classroom and frankly I think discussion boards are an ineffectual teaching strategy.