Want To start A Petition-Any advice?

[BettyUK]

Hi Everyone.

I am very disgusted with some of the horrible practices in childbirth here in the American hospitals. One of many is that barbaric practice of strapping down women during C Sections is some USA hospitals. The woman's arms are strapped to the operating table.

And it seems that many people are wring about what happens during C Sections and if you have a C Section in America or Canada you can expect to have your arms strapped down. But instead of that someone should be advocating and writing about banning this inhuman practice all all US hospitals, as it banned in the UK where I am from.

So I want to start a petition on Change.org

Where many people have petitioned about different things and some have got results. But the only problem is I don't know who to make the petition to.

In the UK if it was a hospital issue the body that regulates it would be The Department Of Health or the British Medical association. But here in the USA because they have different states each with different laws there does not seem to be a body or medical organisation that regulates the hospitals for the whole of the country as there is in the UK.

So any advice please? I think starting a petition is a good starting point but who do I send the petition to?

[NICU Guy, BSN, RN]

Administrators, please close this thread. We just had a 10 page thread on this exact same topic, by the same person last week.

[BettyUK]

There is nothing disgusting about that video. It is very informative and factual.

No it's not. They don't do it here in the UK. But then that Doctor wouldn't be allowed to practise over here if he said that here they would soon kick him out of the hospital. The NHS takes a dim view of that sort of thing.

I had 2 c-sections in the early 90s. Both arms were strapped to the table both times and I'm so glad they were! I get terrible shakes with any anesthesia. I had an epidural so I could be awake during both deliveries. I was shaking uncontrollably so they strapped me down. It was a relief and actually helped me relax. I was worried I'd shake right off the table and was so focused on trying not to shake that I was becoming anxious. Once my arms were strapped down, I could switch my focus to my breathing and I was able to calm down. As soon as each baby was born, they unstrapped my arms so I could hold them. I never once thought the staff was being inhumane or treating me unfairly. Quite the opposite -- they made my birth experiences more positive.

So what do you do if your face itches and you want to scratch your noise? Do the nurses do that for you if your husband is not in the theatre with you? And some husbands aren't.

[BettyUK]

Again?? I almost feel like it's Groundhog Day.

That was me that said that. And I'm guessing you've never seen a perfectly healthy 20 year old girl get run over by a car, pull out her breathing tube and immediately turn purple because she couldn't breathe? Choking on her own phlegm? Panicking because she couldn't breathe, and fighting so hard that we couldn't even rescue breathe for her with a bag-mask? Having to give her more sedatives and then a paralyzing drug so that she couldn't move while we put another breathing tube in?

THAT is barbaric.

Not that you won't have an answer to refute what anyone tries to tell you......

Well if you listen to the whole of that story. The man was severely Autistic and he kept puling off his oxygen mask. So they tried sedation because in the UK they don't strap the arms down.

Then only after everything else failed and note the boy was mentally incompetent and so they went to court under the mental capacity act 2005 and they tieds his arms to the bed but with a court order as he lacked capacity. But that can only be done in extreme cases with a court order.

That was an extreme case and it had never been done in England for 30 years.

But they certainly do do it for C sections. If the mum was to freak they just give her a GA(General anesthesia) they don't strap her arms .

[BettyUK]

If you don't like our medical care or customs there is a simple solution... get back on the crazy train and get out!

Women's arms are strapped down during a c-section, to protect her from harm, not to be barbaric. She would also be able to refuse to have them strapped down!

HPRN

Oh yeah? well I read many posts online of woman whose arms were still strapped down in the US hospitals even against their wishes even though they said no.

But they don't strap the arms down in the UK during C Sections. One NHS hospital told me they don't.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

Administrators, please close this thread. We just had a 10 page thread on this exact same topic, by the same person last week.

I must have missed that one, or I certainly wouldn't have bitten here. Apparently the OP has some other, more serious issues to deal with......

[Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN]

Well if you listen to the whole of that story. The man was severely Autistic and he kept puling off his oxygen mask. So they tried sedation because in the UK they don't strap the arms down.

And keeping patients so gorked that they lack the physical ability to move or respond at all is not good for them. That's according to peer-reviewed research, not according to "some people on the internet who said..." nor according to You Tubers.

Go to nursing school and then work as an ICU nurse, and then we might be able to have a conversation about best practices.

With that, I'm outtie. Cheers!

[NICU Guy, BSN, RN]

If you want to petition something about the US treatment of it's citizens, let's talk about children. When I was an infant and went on a road trip, I got to sit on my loving mother's lap. I was able to see the outside world. Infants are now confined to a rear facing car seat in the back seat of the car, all alone and scared. Their only view is seeing a sliver of the sky, praying for a bird or airplane to come into their view. When I was a child, me and my siblings had free reign of the backseat of the car, jumping around and sticking our heads out of the windows. Now the government mandates that children are completely strapped into a car seat. I have seen numerous children being forced into a car seat against their will with 3 point restraints. I can't imagine the long term trauma that children face being confined like that in a car.

The treatment of infants and children in US hospitals are also barbaric. Every infant is put to bed in a straight jacket, also know as a "sleep sack" where their arms are confined in the blanket with Velcro. Toddlers are placed in cribs that have bars that encompass the entire crib and looks exactly like a cage for wild animals.

DISCLAIMER: Previous post is intended to be sarcasm. This post does not represent the actual beliefs of the treatment of infants and children in the US by me. :no:

[AspiringNurseMW]

Betty UK. Just stop. You don't even know what you are talking about and no one understand why you've taken issue with this one thing. Do you live in the US? Are you a nurse? Do you practice here? Are you pregnant? Just stop.

[psu_213, BSN, RN]

That was an extreme case and it had never been done in England for 30 years.

But they certainly do do it for C sections. If the mum was to freak they just give her a GA(General anesthesia) they don't strap her arms .

So then your argument is that chemical restraints are justified, even it they pt does not consent them; physical restraints are never justified, even if the patient agrees to them. Just want to make sure we are straight on this.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Closed for review.