Video RN screaming, dragged into police car d/t refused blood draw on unconscious patient!

JKL33 · Sep 4, 2017

Did you even read the thread? No one has defended the actions of the cop. What most of us are trying to get across is that trying to restrain an out of control cop in the process of making an arrest will:
- likely get you arrested, too - and charged with any one of a whole raft of criminal charges, many of which are felonies.
- may also get you shot.
- may also get anyone else in the vicinity shot.

Dear heron,

Yes. I have been following this thread closely.

The context of my post is in reply to the portion of text I quoted along with it, as per usual posting procedure, and has nothing to do with the items you have mentioned above.

Thank you.

Emergent, RN · Sep 4, 2017

What I find very telling is that this accident happened back at the end of July. I'm sure the police department of Salt Lake City has been aware of this fiasco for quite some time. I'm sure the hospital has filed a complaint, has tried to hash things out, I'm sure the nurses complained, etc and so forth.

The video came out about a week ago and spread like wild fire. This is already September and now the police department is falling all over themselves to apologize.

They weren't going to do a darn thing until it was a public relations nightmare. If they treat a white healthcare worker from the most respected and loved profession like this, how do they treat someone from a bad neighborhood?

I've always cut the police a lot of slack. I understand they have to make split-second decisions in hairy situations. If you are working in an inner-city, crime ridden neighborhood, you can get jaded and hair trigger. I work in a more rural area, with a lot of meth use, gang issues, etc. I see the abuse that the police have to put up with when they bring patients into the emergency room. I sympathize with the police. Most of them are very professional and patient with some of these jerks they have to deal with.

I totally agree with the theory that this was all about protecting their department from litigation related to the high-speed chase, and the fact that it injured an innocent citizen. That's the only explanation I can think of for the aggressive attempt to obtain an innocent man's blood.

Jules81, BSN, RN · Sep 4, 2017

With all due respect your analogy is not appropriate. Drug dealers and murders and even those who break petty-but-well-known laws know damn full well they have done something wrong. This gal was completely blindsided and thus confused about what was happening because she was being ASSAULTED and had done nothing wrong. In this country the police are not allowed to attack such individuals. She looks terrified. The officer's very first step he took after he decided "WE'RE DONE" was not to begin an appropriate arrest procedure but to lunge at her, try to knock that phone out of her hand and grab her while she stood there in a civilized manner with multiple witnesses in a very controlled situation. He is the ONLY person out of control.

Another point to this, when you arrest someone you must Mirandize them and read them their rights. He did not do this. He manhandled, assaulted and told her she was going to jail repeatedly. Even the supervisor just detained her in the car. THEY NEVER ONCE TOLD HER SHE HAD ANY RIGHTS and even criminals have certain rights. He never informed her what he was officially arresting her for. "Not handing what I want over" isn't a crime. Had he said "Ma'am you're under arrest for obtructing justice, you have the right to..." would still not make this legal or right but all you see in this is anger, rage, and idiocracy.

RunnerNurse09, BSN, RN · Sep 4, 2017

This is the way the police operate. You are either going to do what I say, or I'm going to make you do what I say. That's the mentality of law enforcement and it stems from their ****** training.

Have you been through police training? Again, a broad generalization. If it's not ok to do this with nursing, or any gender/race/religion, why is it ok here? This cop was an aggressive bad Apple that doesn't represent everyone in law enforcement.

RunnerNurse09, BSN, RN · Sep 4, 2017

With all due respect your analogy is not appropriate. Drug dealers and murders and even those who break petty-but-well-known laws know damn full well they have done something wrong. This gal was completely blindsided and thus confused about what was happening because she was being ASSAULTED and had done nothing wrong. In this country the police are not allowed to attack such individuals. She looks terrified. The officer's very first step he took after he decided "WE'RE DONE" was not to begin an appropriate arrest procedure but to lunge at her, try to knock that phone out of her hand and grab her while she stood there in a civilized manner with multiple witnesses in a very controlled situation. He is the ONLY person out of control.

I was referring to the other posters comment that insinuated that resisting arrest was a good idea in general. And yes, he was quite aggressive with her. I am not defending his actions at all. But planting the seed in people's minds that it is a good idea to resist arrest is not wise.

morte, LPN, LVN · Sep 4, 2017

Actually if one refuses a breathalyzer a blood test can be compelled if one is arrested on suspected DUI; THAT is implied consent one gives for driving. Not the same as the truck driver did not cause the accident nor was he suspected of a DUI.

no, that is no longer correct.

morte, LPN, LVN · Sep 4, 2017

Has anyone heard how the injured trucker is doing? I haven't seen any mention of it in subsequent reports. The accident looked pretty horrendous.

there has been a gofundme account started, his last name is Grey. his wife is apparently staying in a hotel in town as he is still in the burn unit.

morte, LPN, LVN · Sep 4, 2017

Again, great way to shove everyone under the same umbrella. "They".

wrong, try some English grammar. the "they" refers to the cops in this incident. as should be obvious to anyone with sufficient education to be a nurse.

morte, LPN, LVN · Sep 4, 2017

Resisting arrest is not lawful. Yes , the cop was wrong and she was wrongfully arrested. But think for a minute what it would be like if everyone who was ever placed under arrest was allowed to resist because they thought they shouldnt be arrested. Do you think drug dealers and murderers think they should go to jail? Its not that easy. I think they said she was released 20 minutes later. So resisting does nothing except escalate the situation.

resisting unlawful arrest is legal under the constitution, but many jurisdictions have put limits on that.

RunnerNurse09, BSN, RN · Sep 4, 2017

wrong, try some English grammar. the "they" refers to the cops in this incident. as should be obvious to anyone with sufficient education to be a nurse.

Very mature to start slinging insults. You didn't state "they wanted " , you stated "they want" . Maybe you should have clarified.

Wuzzie · Sep 4, 2017

And here is Alex being all sensible and smart again. What an amazing representative of nursing.

Utah Nurse Arrested Over Blood Draw: This Shouldn'''t Happen Again - NBC News

She is going to have a far-reaching, positive impact on this country.

morte, LPN, LVN · Sep 4, 2017

Very mature to start slinging insults. You didn't state "they wanted " , you stated "they want" . Maybe you should have clarified.

no factual argument, got it.