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please excuse the lack of appropriate capitalization...my cat spilled milk on the keyboard, and I am still having trouble...
i'm a first semester student, a-b grades. clinical reviews were fine midterm. there is a person in my clinical group who is a gossip, malicious and someone who enjoys stirring the pot. this person will actively accumulate grievances and solicit folks' complaints about others. sadly, this time i was the target.
i knew trouble was brewing, because my clinical instructor spoke with me about three certain events. in the interest of brevity, i won't go into details at this time, but i explained my actions, was not written up, but advised to deal better with other people's boundaries. fine, i can accommodate that; it's not easy, but i can do that. i did, at the time of the talking to, explain what had happened, and i thought we had moved past that. upon further consideration and a bit of a cooling-off time
overnight, i approached my clinical instructor the next morning and asked for a one on one meeting with the person who lodged the complaints against me, mediated by the instructor. i felt it would be best to clear the air between them and i...she said she'd ask them. turns out that person refused to do it one on one, approached me, told me that 'the whole group has a problem with you, and we're going to deal with it as a group.'
i went to my clinical instructor, told her i was not willing to sit there in a group and listen to them gang up on me; that if certain people had issues, i was more than willing to deal with them one on one, but not in a public situation. she reassured me that would not happen. further, since she and i had already addressed the issues, i wasn't sure what purpose having a 'group meeting' would do other than be humiliating and upsetting to me. again, she agreed, and reassured me it would not happen.
guess what happened...
Yesterday, in post conference, the 'group meeting' was had. not only with our clinical group, but with two other people from a group whose teacher had been absent that day. not only those two people, but our class coordinator to whom i had not addressed anything with, and who had not discussed anything with me.
let's just say i sat there for an hour, defensive and fighting to maintain control. i sat there and heard things which did not happen get discussed; i heard how i was neglecting my patient, and on and on. when i left the room, i made it out to the street before crying. there were several people who both said this group meeting was uncomfortable for them, and who also defended me.
the upshot of all this is that i am very, very, very upset. i feel utterly betrayed by my instructor, and like i can't go to her and believe what she says about anything; after all, she told me this would not happen.
i feel completely humiliated; and feel as though if i say anything, it will be taken as relatiatory, and looked upon badly.
but mostly, i am beyond furious that i was accused of neglecting a patient. at no time, in no way, shape or form, have i ever neglected a patient; if i did something the rn asked me to, it was when my patient was zonked on norco or in xray or whatever...in other words, when i had time to assist.
now, let's face it. have i made mistakes...of course. i'm a student. i'm going to err. that's what being a student is about. did the clinical instructor write me up/ again, no...
what has got me sleepless and completely anxiety-ridden is the way this was handled. i did not expect, nor did i appreciate, being put into the middle of a group and told how horrible i am. i did not appreciate, nor deserve, people outside the group being part of this, especially as they had nothing to do whatsoever with the incident/s/ in question. and i most certainly do not appreciate being told this was not going to happen, and having it happen.
i feel bushwhacked, ambushed, ganged up on, whatever the term you choose to use, i feel it. i am humiliated, furious, upset, and have been in tears on and off since this happened. i can't trust my clinical instructor; and only a few folks in clinicals at this point.
i am exhausted; it's 2;30 am, i should be fast asleep, but i never even got to bed last night. i go to class in a few hours...and i don't know what to expect or if another bomb is waiting to go off.
i can't believe that this is happening; i am not willing to ever be publicly humiliated like this again...i wasn't willing to be in this situation in the first place. i am a mature adult, and don't expect to be treated like a child, and don't appreciate it, either.
and i don't know what to do. i can do nothing, or i can escalate, or i can wait and see. i'm just not sure how to protect myself from future assaults and yes i see this as an assault...
what would you do, and how would you do it.
again, thanks for bearing with the poor keyboarding...i will have a new keyboard shortly, because i can't stand this either.
best-
lovin learning
although not so much right now...
My school isn't great (nothing is here in the armpit of Texas), but I just can't imagine adult students being involved in all the drama and grief that I see posted here by students in other programs.
As crappy as my school is, we simply go to school/clinical, do our crap, and go home.
Why is there so much turmoil in these other schools? I shiver to think what kind of co-workers some of the people from these programs will turn out to be.
Hope everything works out positively for you.
My school isn't great (nothing is here in the armpit of Texas), but I just can't imagine adult students being involved in all the drama and grief that I see posted here by students in other programs.As crappy as my school is, we simply go to school/clinical, do our crap, and go home.
Why is there so much turmoil in these other schools? I shiver to think what kind of co-workers some of the people from these programs will turn out to be.
Hope everything works out positively for you.
I know that every once in a while there is a bad apple; but I can't help but think that it is the instructors and the atmosphere of a nursing program in general that allows this sort of thing. My schools were po-dunk but professional. The instructors were there to teach us, the students were there to learn, there was no time for drama. My RN school instructors were total hicks, but they knew their stuff and were as professional as they come. I can't imagine anyone even dreaming such drama would be tolerated in my programs.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I can't even imagine what it must have been like to be in that situation. Regardless of the circumstances, that was extremely unprofessional and inappropriate on the part of the instructor and the other students. I agree with the others who advise you to not just look the other way. What happened to nurses and nursing students preserving human dignity? They sure didn't seem to care about yours. You need to write up a complaint and give a copy to the instructor, the head of the nursing department, the dean, etc.. Also, please don't let the juvenile tactics of your peers get you down. Go to class and clinical with your head held high, knowing that you are of a higher caliber than them. The semester will be over before you know it, and this event will be behind you. Good luck to you. :icon_hug:
LovingLearning, I am so sorry this has happened to you. This kind of behavior is unprofessional and completely inappropriate for any adult setting, especially for nursing school. I attend a smaller college in the Georgia mountains, and it was drilled into us from day one to be polite, professional, and respectful.
Jolie is absolutely right, you don't have to tolerate that kind of situation, ever. Whether you wish to pursue this up the chain of command, or simply move on, that is up to you. You know yourself best. Perhaps you could request to be switched to a different clinical group if you are uncomfortable continuing with your current group.
Unfortunately, lilla fjaril is also correct, you're going to encounter this kind of behavior in almost every profession from time to time, and things will be much easier for you if you can develop a thicker skin. However, that doesn't make it appropriate, especially in the nursing profession.
Please keep us updated on how things turn out for you. I really don't want to see the source of this malicious behavior succeed with nursing school, s/he has no place in a profession where she will be entrusted with the care of others.
I know that every once in a while there is a bad apple; but I can't help but think that it is the instructors and the atmosphere of a nursing program in general that allows this sort of thing. My schools were po-dunk but professional. The instructors were there to teach us, the students were there to learn, there was no time for drama. My RN school instructors were total hicks, but they knew their stuff and were as professional as they come. I can't imagine anyone even dreaming such drama would be tolerated in my programs.
i agree...the instructor and administrator set this situation up. i spoke with a student who was there, and she had heard that this was going to happen. she said to the instructor that she thought this was not a good idea.
i know how this transpired. the person who made the complaints against me did NOT witness any of the supposed complaints. he is a gossip. when i asked to have a moderated meeting between he and i, he declined. the reason he declined was because he did not witness any of the supposed complaints. he would have no leg to stand on during that conversation; however, if he could do it in a situation wherein i was in a position to not be able to respond...well, then, there you go. he was the one who brought this up, the admin and instructor decided this was good...and there you have it. ambush.
it was, without a doubt, the admin and instructor's call to do this...and i lay this firmly onto their shoulders.
best-
lovin' learning
heloisea said
I'm sorry this happened to you. I can't even imagine what it must have been like to be in that situation. Regardless of the circumstances, that was extremely unprofessional and inappropriate on the part of the instructor and the other students. I agree with the others who advise you to not just look the other way. What happened to nurses and nursing students preserving human dignity? They sure didn't seem to care about yours. You need to write up a complaint and give a copy to the instructor, the head of the nursing department, the dean, etc.. Also, please don't let the juvenile tactics of your peers get you down. Go to class and clinical with your head held high, knowing that you are of a higher caliber than them. The semester will be over before you know it, and this event will be behind you. Good luck to you. :icon_hug:
no, they didn't care about my human dignity; they didn't treat me with respect; and they most certainly didn't care about the humiliation i have endured. what boggles me is that folks who were not there are coming to me and saying they're sorry this happened...erm, since i didn't talk to anyone about what happened, how the heck do they know.....because word gets out. gossip starts. rumors go unchecked. and that's because of how this was handled. poorly, unprofessionally, and without a care as to how i would feel.
mousieroo said;
Unfortunately, lilla fjaril is also correct, you're going to encounter this kind of behavior in almost every profession from time to time, and things will be much easier for you if you can develop a thicker skin. However, that doesn't make it appropriate, especially in the nursing profession.
i have no issue with being chewed out for something that i have done; i don't have any issues being corrected when i make mistakes. i have no problems learning from my mistakes, finding behavior to correct, correcting it, and moving on with a lesson learned. that's life, you know. life.
i do take great offense at the way this was done. group bashing is never conducive to learning; it feeds into the issues already present. it denies a person the right to privacy, dignity, and humanness. it is damaging to the person it happens to...and i would never have done this to someone else. even if i thought they were devil spawn from darkest hell, i just don't think i'd do this to someone else.
to sit in a room with an administrator and an instructor, while being laid out by colleagues who are also learning.........that is utterly wrong and inappropriate and demeaning and hurtful. it was done not to teach; it was done not to correct. it was done to humiliate and embarrass and demean. and that happened.
my moral sucks, to be honest. i have a giant pharm exam next thursday, and then we go into the holidays and finals schedule starts. i am having trouble buckling down and studying, and that is a problem. i know we only have a few weeks to go...and i am hoping i make it through. since i was not written up, i can't imagine this stuff will keep me from progressing to next semester...but still, the damage has been done, i am hurt and really feeling lost; those folks to whom i was told to go with questions have made it plain that i cannot trust them...so now what do i do....
blergh.
best-
lovin' learning
i agree...the instructor and administrator set this situation up. i spoke with a student who was there, and she had heard that this was going to happen. she said to the instructor that she thought this was not a good idea.
This made my hair stand on end. To have given advance notice to other students that this "event" was going to happen is beyond unprofessional. It violated your rights as a student, as did the "meeting" (gang-up) itself. This instructor and administrator are a liability to the school, because sooner or later they will do something like this to a student with a lawyer daddy who will make the school pay for his child's humiliation. I agree with Jolie and others. When you get some sleep, document everything that happened. Go up the chain of command until someone listens to you. Don't necessarily intimate you might sue or anything like that, but be firm that your rights were violated. I would be worried that something is going to get slipped into your file about this incident, so you need everything documented.
Gad, who needs this? Nursing school is tough enough!
are you in physical fear of this man?
morte, as much as i'd like to say i am....i can't, in all honesty, say that i am in physical fear of him.
atomic woman said;
This made my hair stand on end. To have given advance notice to other students that this "event" was going to happen is beyond unprofessional. It violated your rights as a student, as did the "meeting" (gang-up) itself. This instructor and administrator are a liability to the school, because sooner or later they will do something like this to a student with a lawyer daddy who will make the school pay for his child's humiliation. I agree with Jolie and others. When you get some sleep, document everything that happened. Go up the chain of command until someone listens to you. Don't necessarily intimate you might sue or anything like that, but be firm that your rights were violated. I would be worried that something is going to get slipped into your file about this incident, so you need everything documented.
what happened was this. the lady i am speaking of was pulled into the conversation with the man who set this up when he wanted this group confrontation, and told our clinical instructor he wanted this. she was there, and said to the clinical instructor 'i don't think that's a good idea', and the clinical instructor said 'no, it's not.' i also approached the clinical instructor after i was informed by this man that we were going to 'settle this as a group' [that i didn't respond to, because i am not a fool....], and i told the clinical instructor that i was in no way o.k. with this being a group thing. she assured me, twice, that it was not going to happen...and yet, lo and behold, the next clinical day, it did. that's three times she said it wasn't going to happen; twice to me, and once to this other lady...and yet, it did.
btw, the woman who heard this, when asked in the group what she thought, said ''can i go home now'' instead of responding. another student in the group said ''i'm really uncomfortable with this,'' as well. to her comment, the administrator turned it around and said ''yes, this is uncomfortable, but it's not my fault...it's the fault of the person we're discussing.''
as for something being put into my file...i am going to ask for a review of my file, just as a matter of course. i'm not sure what can be in there without my signature, though. i will check just to make sure.
as for not intimating that this will go to a lawyer, i won't...but don't think it hasn't crossed my mind. crossed it a few times.
can i ask you all which rights of mine, in your opinion, were violated/ i know what i think, but i'd like to hear others' opinions as to that.
best-
lovin' learning
WHO THE H*** is this administrator person?????how dare she come out with that crack....!!!!!!! get that student hand book out, what kind of discipline is ok???? what kind of smart aleck remark is this to be made to an honest remark....and truthful, on the part of the student......i am livid, ....
i would be consulting an attorney, on the qt, before i have any more contact with any one from this school......argh!!!!!!!
so....here is the excerpt discussing misconduct results;
students charged with misconduct may be subject to the following;
-exoneration or clearance from charges
-a verbal warning
-a written conduct and discipline warning notice
-suspension/exclusion from classes for a specific amount of time as set forth in a written notice of suspension, not to exceed five days
-termination of student status as set forth in a written notice of dismissal
-academic dishonesty will result in a grade of f and/or immediate dismissal from the class/program.
please note that nowhere does it state a public flogging is an option.
'Disciplinary action may be imposed on a student by a faculty member and/or administrator for actions which include one or more of the following behavior. the list of behaviors is not exhaustive, but are examples of suficient causes of disciplinary action.
-disruption of instructional activity
-disorderly conduct, including lewd or obscene behavior
-act or threat of damage to and/or the act of, or threat, of theft of property
-act or threat to any person
-act of verbal abuse by any person
-the sale, knowing possession...ect of drugs [not applicable whatsoever]
unlawful discrimination or harassment, including sexual harassment or sexual assault.
-any other action or conduct which is disruptive to the operations of the college or inconsistent with it's regulations, policies, and procedures.
-violation of any of the conduct standarsd set forth in the school of nursing student handbook or college catalogue.
so far, that's what i've found. i still have to go through the catalogue and the handbook to determine what else has been violated.
and as far as i can tell, even if the claim was that i was disruptive to the group [and it's not...], nowhere does it state i get to be publicly humiliated...especially since i haven't been written up/warned for anything.
things which make you go 'hrm...'
i am wondering if i shouldn't contact the student nursing board/union in our state...they might have some sort of ideas for me.
best-
lovin learning
rnjls
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You mentioned that it would have been disrespect if you had walked out. What about the disrespect that was shown to you in this situation?
Situations like this make me very angry---there is no reason for a group of people to gang up on one person no matter what the perceived problems are.
Keep up your good attitude and you will shine above all of these people.