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okay,
so... "only time can tell," right??
well... "time" has brought me to a frustrating point in my new job. the things that i am frustrated about are things that i could not have really been warned about because no one has ever been in this position with my doc. also, as a new np you don't know to think about some of these things... so hopefully, these considerations will help you newbies in your quest for jobs.
for fun, we will refer to my supervising md as "gd"...
some background info:
a) after graduating in december, i started work for a cardiology clinic of 9 mds (and i was the first mlp)
b) we use an emr system for documentation and billing
c) we just merged with a large corporation
d) i was hired primarily for a rural office with gd as the only md that comes to that office, but it was understood (and in my contract) that i was hired for the whole clinic/group of mds
e) gd works at both the rural and not-as-rural offices, more so at the rural one... and then has patients/procedures at 3 area hospitals
f) there is another np working for one cardiologist, strictly in the office setting (her preference)
g) gd has no spouse, sleeps on our office couch, and is a self-martyr
h) the medical director of the group was a clinical preceptor during school and loves me. i know that he will support any change i need and any problem i have.
i) gd is excellent at what she does, is a huge patient advocate, and puts her patients above all. and i mean... "all..." to the point that i think she uses her "patient involvement" as a crutch.
my frustration:
1. gd would rather see patients than do her documentation/billing
a. gd gripes about not making much money last year or having a life but she is a self-martyr and i made too many sacrifices in school to be making work-related sacrifices now
b. she pressed for our offices to get the emr system and she does not utilize it. instead, she just prints out a med list... jots down a few notes... and throws it in a folder for me to stress out over when i see the patient in a follow-up visit, when a pcp calls for consultation report, surgical clearance, etc. because she didn't document in the emr - she's a computer nerd! it's not a "speed" issue. all of the other doctors in the group are older than her, much less computer savvy and still manage to document and bill each patient as they are seen. she has office visits and electronic notes incomplete since 2005!!!! most are within the last 8-16 months, but still!! this is where her lost revenue is... stocked up in her office! she knows she needs to do the notes, but has been saying she needs to do them for months and hasn't done it. i am not about to do her documentation from god-knows when. no other self-respecting mlp would. right??
2. gd was not ready for a mid-level provider
a. she swears that she knows better than anyone else the role of a midlevel... but she doesnt. during the mornings, while she's doing procedures (and i have been waiting on hospital privileges), i answer phone calls and handle "nursing duties." bullcrap. i should be seeing follow-ups, at least!
b. she will not "let go" of her patients... she says they are possessive of her... wrongo! she is possessive of them!!
c. the documentation thing... someone cannot... in their right mind follow behind her and see patients. it pisses me off daily when i try to pull up a note to see what was done at the last visit and show nothing documented for >1 yr.
d. her schedule... she does procedures in the morning 30 min away from our rural office and schedules patients 15 min apart starting at 1:00 thru 5:30-5:45. she's generally late, slow about seeing patients, doesnt document well, talks too much (inappropriately so), allows herself to get distracted (pulled out of the room, answering her cell for hospital calls), and doesn't see this as a problem. if she does, she may make a comment about "oh, i'm tired of staying late" or whatever... but doesn't ever do anything about it. and we're stuck there until 7-8:00 pm... routinely! the office opens at 9.
e. instead of being supportive and not worrying about me being a "competitor" she thinks that if i document better billing than her, it makes her look bad (duh!!)
f. i am trying to build good habits and it is very difficult with her negative, poor-me, self-martyrdom, and "i don't give a crap about the rules" attitude
g. plus, she has upset a lot of the community pcps (that govern the local hospital) because she isolates herself
3. i feel like the "rural" office and gd are holding me back from full potential
a. the rural office does not have nuclear testing, our own lab, or other ancillary services that i can readily get reimbursed for. the other np functioning in other office billed for $32k in feb alone and will get $10k of that as salary/incentives. i should have the same opportunities.
b. gd can make up for this loss with her procedures and duties in the other office, where as i cannot. but, she gets a larger percentage of the bonuses i am eligible for... so you'd expect her to be more supportive. right?
(bonus structure example: np billed for $32k in feb. take out minimal overhead and np monthly salary... what's left over is divvied up 70/30 at the end of the quarter. md takes 70, np take 30. longer np with larger corporation, bigger np percentage becomes and smaller md percentage.) i was told by the ceo himself that within the second 6 months of being there, my salary would become "meaningless." woohoo! :)
c. gd is concerned about me making her look bad if my documentation and billing practices are better than hers
d. over the next couple of weeks, i will be spending time with the other np and other partners in the group (which by the way, gd is not a partner), and gd did not think that i should do that. she wants to control me all by herself.
e. when i met with the ceo about my contract, she was upset because i did not ask her permission to go talk with him (she didn't tell me... she told the office mgr who told me). i think she was worried about what i was going to tell him!! in this meeting, by the way... i told him that i was getting to a point of utter frustration where i wanted to leave if it didn't improve. and i love what i am doing... but she's gotta improve for me to stay!
okay... so, there are probably more bits and pieces of the story... but i'm tired of thinking about it. i just don't think it was fair for a new np to be put in such a pile of crap... however, i can't really blame anyone because nobody knew it was so bad. i don't know how to help her. i don't have the experience and i don't think it should be my responsibility to "change" her... because i don't know that she will ever change. i just want to go to work... and be done... and come home. i know that healthcare is a 24/7 business, but my family has to come first. then work.
i feel stuck. there are not many np positions, let alone acnp positions around this area... but there is enough need in the entire group for me to keep a job. i just don't think my current position is right for me. at least not right now.
okay... so i finally can see the flashing light (not steady yet, cuz i don't know when i'm gonna get to it) at the end of the tunnel. i do not know when, but i know it will be very soon... the medical director came up to me today and said that he just made me his top priority. he said that it is of utmost importance to him for me to get pulled out of gd's office/supervision completely and to be put with him full-time. he's already planning office adjustment to make room for me... so i know we're down to the wire. my office supervisor understands the timely requirement for me to get out and said she, the medical director and the ceo are planning a meeting asap about the rural office because... his number two priority is to determine whether or not they are going to keep the rural office open at all. this will also allow for the ceo to give final "ok" about me being with the director full time.
thanks for the concern... i'll keep ya updated!
okay... so i finally can see the flashing light (not steady yet, cuz i don't know when i'm gonna get to it) at the end of the tunnel. i do not know when, but i know it will be very soon... the medical director came up to me today and said that he just made me his top priority. he said that it is of utmost importance to him for me to get pulled out of gd's office/supervision completely and to be put with him full-time.
he's already planning office adjustment to make room for me... so i know we're down to the wire. my office supervisor understands the timely requirement for me to get out and said she, the medical director and the ceo are planning a meeting asap about the rural office because... his number two priority is to determine whether or not they are going to keep the rural office open at all. this will also allow for the ceo to give final "ok" about me being with the director full time.
thanks for the concern... i'll keep ya updated!
you wrote your first post in march and you are still having problems in june. i hope this works out but in my opinion the practice shows classic signs of not understanding npp practice. they knew you were having problems. they knew you were unhappy. what was their response? to put a new pa and a np student in the practice:eek:. this does not seem to be an example of a practice that overall has a clue. like i said, i hope it works out but at some point they are just jerking you around.
good luck
david carpenter, pa-c
i know david... i sorta feel like a naive idiot about this whole situation... but for some reason, i feel like i was suppose to stick it out. once i get pulled from the rural office, i think everything will be fine... and if it's not, and they continue to seemingly jerk me around, i'll do something else. i think that since the merger, there are too many rungs on the ladder which take forever to climb (and many of the rungs have been out off and on since spring break)... if it had been up to my office mgr and the medical director only, i don't think they'd have wasted any time getting me out of there... and they are ultimately the ones i have to deal with on a daily basis.
there are many things that i haven't posted on here, just simply because of time and energy required to rehash it all... but i have been actively looking and talking to fellow nps, mds, pas, about area jobs for at least a month now... and it's hard to find a job locally, #1 because nps are still "new" to the area and #2 because i'm an acnp... without having to drive about an hour one way to work every day. i've been putting my name out there, so the fact that nothing has surfaced makes me believe that maybe i'm meant to be where i'm at. i do love my days in the office with the medical director... he's an awesome teacher and mentor. and i enjoy what i'm doing in the office (when not with her)... and i enjoy the days that she doesn't show up and i get to run her clinic.
so... i know that i am not meant to be with "her." there is a cardiologist in port arthur who is friends with a former classmate that is interested in hiring me (found out yesterday)... but my husband and i are not financially ready to move right now. we'd have to find him a job, sell our house which is in the midst of updates, find another house, move away from his father who is in poor health, and we will make this work... if i don't see an immediate change by next week.
attention!! :)
this was what my office mgr said... first thing to me today:
"effective immediately... you are to be full-time in this office and not required to go in the [rural] office another day." i will be with the medical director 4 days per week and with the on call doc on fridays. whooo hooo!!! they didn't drag their feet as i thought they would... so we will see how it goes from here on out.
i worry about the np student that is spending time with her right now because i personally think he is shooting himself in the foot... and wasting his time to be with her. last night the office mgr talked to gd about me being pulled from her office and she was fine... because she wants the np student full time anyway! fine... but i'd be surprised if the office is still open by the time he finishes school in august.
finally!
ya'll know what?
she came up to me yesterday and put her nasty body-odor infested arm around me and said, "it's nothing personal and i think you'll be a great np once you're all done and trained up... but i need someone that has an interest in running my device clinic and wants to be in the rural office full-time..." as if i was to be sad... and as if it was her decision for me to be removed! :chuckle she said, "it's not you..." and i immediately replied, "well then it's not you either... i think it was a mutual inability of being able to work together." she kinda looked bumfuzzled... but i did not waste my energy. i will let her continue thinking it was her decision... that's perfectly fine with me. i'm out and that's all that matters!!!!!!! (ends up, the office mgr had a talk with her wed night about a lot of things, including her hopes for the future... and gd expressed that she would like for the np student to come work with her full-time and she wants to hire him out of her own pocket - bad idea. and the office mgr even asked her whether or not she thought the big corporation was going to shut her down. gd replied, "well that is the rumor going around right now... and if that happens, i have it all figured out. they will not shut my office down. i will go independent if that happens." and the mgr asked gd how she plans on surviving independently... and she said she's got that figured out too. word is, the big corporation put a stop on ordering her office sign... but i'm not suppose to know that.
i think i got out just in time...
and the other office, in just one day... seems to have opened up to me. the other partners are happy for me to help them (which is new, because most of them are hesitant to open up to change)... and yesterday, i helped 4 of them! i'm now very excited about the change and think things will be looking bright for a while! maybe patience does pay off...
ya'll know what?
she came up to me yesterday and put her nasty body-odor infested arm around me and said, "it's nothing personal and i think you'll be a great np once you're all done and trained up... but i need someone that has an interest in running my device clinic and wants to be in the rural office full-time..." as if i was to be sad... and as if it was her decision for me to be removed! :chuckle she said, "it's not you..." and i immediately replied, "well then it's not you either... i think it was a mutual inability of being able to work together." she kinda looked bumfuzzled... but i did not waste my energy. i will let her continue thinking it was her decision... that's perfectly fine with me. i'm out and that's all that matters!!!!!!!
(ends up, the office mgr had a talk with her wed night about a lot of things, including her hopes for the future... and gd expressed that she would like for the np student to come work with her full-time and she wants to hire him out of her own pocket - bad idea. and the office mgr even asked her whether or not she thought the big corporation was going to shut her down. gd replied, "well that is the rumor going around right now... and if that happens, i have it all figured out. they will not shut my office down. i will go independent if that happens." and the mgr asked gd how she plans on surviving independent... and she said she's got that figured out too. word is, the big corporation put a stop on ordering her office sign... but i'm not suppose to know that.
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i think i got out just in time...
and the other office, in just one day... seems to have opened up to me. the other partners are happy for me to help them (which is new, because most of them are hesitant to open up to change)... and yesterday, i helped 4 of them! i'm now very excited about the change and think things will be looking bright for a while! maybe patience does pay off...
good luck. my prediction is that if she goes off on her own the practice would be bankrupt in less than a year. much less if there is competition.
david carpenter, pa-c
DaisyRN, ACNP
383 Posts
thanks trauma...
and you know, i'm one for the philosophy of "everything happens for a reason," so if for some reason, i do lose my job over this (which i don't think i will.. they can fire me for refusing to work in a hostile environment? i think not)... but if worse comes to worst... i have learned a lot about myself throughout this, as well as a great deal about what i do and do not not want in a future employer.
i guess we'll have a better idea tomorrow... *deep breath*...