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There are loads of discussions on this BB about the fluff in curriculums for Nursing school.

Yet, I repeatedly see posts displaying total ignorance of most basic economic issues and how it affects them. I have friends who are recruiters who get resumes that are a disgrace from people that have a BSN. I have coworkers that have no clue of how financial issues work.

I see repeated posts from new grads and experienced nurses about ignorance of local pay rates - do you not research your job field BEFORE you spent 2-4 years getting a degree or deciding to move across country?

You don't think that your credit rating, or your DUI or your conviction from check is going to follow you? Or that it should affect you.

You think that you can bring your kids to work or to an interview, that since you have kids, that means you get the "preferred" schedule...right out of nursing school

You think that employers can be "guilted" into hiring you, that all it takes is a good storyabout how hard it is to get a job, will trump finances and have the employer pony up the 40-80 grand a year plus training and benies.

Or that a hospital that had the kind consideration to PERMIT you to learn on their campus, despite the strain on their resources (ie. nurses that did not get pay for taking the stress of precepting, and dealt with the liability), should be forced to hire you and perhaps fire/cut hours for those very nurses that sacrificed to help you learn.

Or that the large number of unemployed/uninsured/underinsured are not going to affect our bottom line.

I would like to see Nursing schools incorporate some form of business/basic economics class in Nursing school. Included should be current economic conditions, world economy issues, researching (accurately) salaries, COL of where on intends to practice, filing taxes, getting licensed, WRITING A RESUME AND INTERVIEWING, proper behavior in the workplace. And a week or so of workplace poliics and how to deal with them.

Anyone with me?

Specializes in IMCU.

Kids or mothers to interviews? Well at least it make a decision easy for the person hiring...

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.

May I please add a different take on the OP post... the new grad just off orientation who has purchased the $60,ooo car... purses and all the gold... worn to work of course that is working massive amounts of OT.... who has no physical ability to do the NEEDED work involved in those shifts and comes to work with the attitude...

"I'm working extra to help you all", and does nothing.. no patient turning, no phone answering, no call bells, skips dressings and baths... because I came in extra for YOU.

Sucking the time clock for a paycheck will NOT work with me. This is NOT a career to fund your expenses while our patients go without care for your padded paycheck.:devil:

Specializes in ER, IICU, PCU, PACU, EMS.

I agree with the OP to the extent that many would benefit from a financial course. However, I would rather see it as an elective rather than a core nursing course. There are many of us who are second career or even third career nurses who attended nursing school later in life. I would be upset if I was required to take a course on this subject and waste my time and money.

I think an elective course is an excellent idea. For those that do not have these skills, then it would help them tremendously.

For those of us who have been writing resumes, managing our own finances, and understand economics, we could skip this type of class.

A new grad does not necessarily mean new to the workforce.

Specializes in Health Information Management.
I agree with the OP to the extent that many would benefit from a financial course. However, I would rather see it as an elective rather than a core nursing course. There are many of us who are second career or even third career nurses who attended nursing school later in life. I would be upset if I was required to take a course on this subject and waste my time and money.

I think an elective course is an excellent idea. For those that do not have these skills, then it would help them tremendously.

For those of us who have been writing resumes, managing our own finances, and understand economics, we could skip this type of class.

A new grad does not necessarily mean new to the workforce.

I'm not sure I agree. There were plenty of second-career students who'd been in the workforce for a number of years in an English class I took last year. We had to work on resumes, and many of them produced specimens I wouldn't have considered accepting if I were heading up a search for ditch-diggers or roadkill scrapers. Perhaps a placement test for basic skills in personal finance, basic business economics, and resume writing would suffice, but I think it might just be easier to have everyone take the class.

Specializes in ER, IICU, PCU, PACU, EMS.
I'm not sure I agree. There were plenty of second-career students who'd been in the workforce for a number of years in an English class I took last year. We had to work on resumes, and many of them produced specimens I wouldn't have considered accepting if I were heading up a search for ditch-diggers or roadkill scrapers. Perhaps a placement test for basic skills in personal finance, basic business economics, and resume writing would suffice, but I think it might just be easier to have everyone take the class.

Easier for whom?

Everyone has his/her own opinion, I can respect that. But holy cow...let those that need it take a life skills class or personal finance or let them do their own research! We all don't need our hands held. It would be nice to be treated like an adult. If I was required to take a class like that, I probably would take a look at another school.

Specializes in Health Information Management.
Easier for whom?

Everyone has his/her own opinion, I can respect that. But holy cow...let those that need it take a life skills class or personal finance or let them do their own research! We all don't need our hands held. It would be nice to be treated like an adult. If I was required to take a class like that, I probably would take a look at another school.

Easier in terms of the OP's original proposal.

I would like to see Nursing schools incorporate some form of business/basic economics class in Nursing school. Included should be current economic conditions, world economy issues, researching (accurately) salaries, COL of where on intends to practice, filing taxes, getting licensed, WRITING A RESUME AND INTERVIEWING, proper behavior in the workplace. And a week or so of workplace poliics and how to deal with them.

If we're talking about incorporating such courses, establishing an elective doesn't really take care of the intended purpose, which is making certain all students have some basic skills in those areas. Many students think such things are unimportant or boring. Others believe they already have the necessary skills, when they clearly don't (as was the case in the class I mentioned in my earlier post). Setting up yet another placement test for such things would be difficult and would represent yet another extra for the student to deal with before even entering the program. So establishing such a course for all students makes certain that all students have a basic grounding in those basic life skills areas, which was the OP's basic premise.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
Here's one more: in this era where pensions have largely disappeared and saving for your own retirement has become all-too-necessary, most nurses have not a clue about what is involved in the simplest forms of investing and saving. Nor any concept of living within their means, even when making very good salaries.

Gee I hope this isn't true because that would be pathetic. While this would be a good elective course I'm not sure it is something college should be responsible for trying to teach. Based on the lousy decisions people in this country have made in recent years with regard to mortgages it is clear many haven't investigated financial issues but it hasn't been my experience that nurses are more prone to being ignorant of savings and retirement issues than anyone else. Personally I work with several that are quite saavy, live within their means and save for the future, including me.

Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.

Considering that even a basic course is likely to cost the average nursing student anywhere from $500-$2000, I have a hard time with making it a "required" course.

It's bad enough that I just had to spend $500 on a "Children's Literature" class in order to meet my "creativity elective" requirement (honest to goodness, we COLORED WITH CRAYONS AND MARKERS in class, on more than one occasion!!!!), we don't need to add more stupid crap for people who don't need it.

Make it a competency requirement -- that's fine. At my school, you have to meet with an academic counselor in between being accepted for the nursing program and registering for your first classes. Have the counselor do a quick evaluation as to whether or not the person needs the remedial instruction, and exempt the folks who are capable of wiping their own butt. :rolleyes:

Making people take a class that they don't need is just wasting time and money and resources that would be better spent in other areas. Besides, so many kids are being raised by helicopter parents these days that they still won't "get it" even if they pass the class because of their huge entitlement issues.

While I agree that I've read plenty of posts that show a lack of understanding about how the worlds of business and personal finance works, I disagree that these are best addressed with mandatory college courses. Almost all colleges offer a variety of job hunting services, including resume coaching, together with various life skill courses. That's about all I would recommend, and I don't believe making more education in this area required would do much to change the behaviors listed. After all, nursing students are required to learn the rudiments of how to live a healthy lifestyle, but that hasn't eliminated poor eating and exercise choices in the nursing population.

Dina

Specializes in CSICU/CTICU.

I agree with the OP, but if people aren't taking the time to educate themselves about financial matters, then they are really hurting themselves in the long run. I have an undergrad degree in an unrelated field, we did not learn this in college. But, I have learned everything I need to know about finances from: (1) my parents, (2) a microeconomics class I chose to take for my personal benefit, and (3) MY OWN FREE RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET. The information is out there for free and it is pure ignorance or irresponsibility that people don't seek out this information. I started investing in my retirement (maxing out my ROTH IRA) at 21 using money from a crappy waitressing job..I am debt free..I have taught myself about retirement/stocks/real estate/student loans/the economy..People have to take the initiative and take personal responsibility for their own financial well being..I'm not trying to pontificate, but other nurses (or people in general) need to "grab the bull by the horns"..

Specializes in Telemetry, Case Management.

I went to LPN school a zillion years ago (26 years this September), and did indeed learn to write a resume. My sister graduated with her bachelor's degree in 1997, (not in nursing), and STILL calls me and asks my opinion on her resume. They did not teach her this at all, which BOGGLES my little brain!!!! It ought to be mandatory to teach Bachelor's Degree students how to properly prepare for and look for a job!!!!! (And other lesser degrees as well!!!)

Specializes in being a Credible Source.

Who needs a class in resume writing? Just pick up a book and work through it.

If someone's judgment is so lacking that they consider it appropriate to bring their kids to an interview or think that their family life warrants preference in shifts then they just need some life experience -- that kind of stuff can't (and really needn't) be taught.

Regarding economics and finance, however, I completely agree. In my program, we had a one-semester class in the business and finance of healthcare; mine was a DEMSN, though. In my BS, I took a general economics class.

What is more lacking, IMO, though, are computer skills. From what I've observed, most nurses are barely literate when it comes to computer technology.

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