Vent - Business sense and the nurse.

[caroladybelle]

Never the twain shall meet.....

There are loads of discussions on this BB about the fluff in curriculums for Nursing school.

Yet, I repeatedly see posts displaying total ignorance of most basic economic issues and how it affects them. I have friends who are recruiters who get resumes that are a disgrace from people that have a BSN. I have coworkers that have no clue of how financial issues work.

I see repeated posts from new grads and experienced nurses about ignorance of local pay rates - do you not research your job field BEFORE you spent 2-4 years getting a degree or deciding to move across country?

You don't think that your credit rating, or your DUI or your conviction from check is going to follow you? Or that it should affect you.

You think that you can bring your kids to work or to an interview, that since you have kids, that means you get the "preferred" schedule...right out of nursing school

You think that employers can be "guilted" into hiring you, that all it takes is a good storyabout how hard it is to get a job, will trump finances and have the employer pony up the 40-80 grand a year plus training and benies.

Or that a hospital that had the kind consideration to PERMIT you to learn on their campus, despite the strain on their resources (ie. nurses that did not get pay for taking the stress of precepting, and dealt with the liability), should be forced to hire you and perhaps fire/cut hours for those very nurses that sacrificed to help you learn.

Or that the large number of unemployed/uninsured/underinsured are not going to affect our bottom line.

I would like to see Nursing schools incorporate some form of business/basic economics class in Nursing school. Included should be current economic conditions, world economy issues, researching (accurately) salaries, COL of where on intends to practice, filing taxes, getting licensed, WRITING A RESUME AND INTERVIEWING, proper behavior in the workplace. And a week or so of workplace poliics and how to deal with them.

Anyone with me?

[nursel56]

TDCHIM- though it pains me to say it-- indeed these two fell for the scam. Another acquaintance was almost roped in by one of these creeps who troll dating sites pretending to be wealthy and dashing American men who fall madly in love but for various reasons need you to wire $$$ so they can travel to the US from Capetown to marry you and live happily ever after. :uhoh21:

Whodatnurse- I remember well the good intentions back around the early 90s of getting people into their first home. People from as disparate political persuasions as Jack Kemp and Jesse Jackson highlighted the benefits of home ownership both financially and psychologically. It saddens me to see what has occurred, because everyone associated with the industry is now painted with the brush of seedy motives.

I was a very loyal customer to my current bank for 20 years because they excelled at personalized customer service and rewarded longtime customers in ways that could be decided by the point person on the phone right then and there. That has changed, it's become a scripted one size fits all corporation that really no longer appears to give a rat's behind if you stick with their company or not. Really counterproductive move in today's climate, but I guess I shouldn't worry myself wondering why they choose to shoot themselves in the foot in this way.`Now when I get really good service from a company I practically hug their knees in gratitude until they shake me off, ha ha:)

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

About bringing parents to interviews...

Again, I have to blame national corporations for this one, as I feel that some of the social trends we are seeing have come from these corporations catering to populations that will make them money while fostering a sense of entitlement.

Back when the economy was good, corporations recruiting from some of the most prestigious business schools would make parent packets for the recruits because they saw parents were becoming involved in salary negotiations for the most sought-after recruits.

I kid you not.

[TDCHIM]

About bringing parents to interviews...

Again, I have to blame national corporations for this one, as I feel that some of the social trends we are seeing have come from these corporations catering to populations that will make them money while fostering a sense of entitlement.

Back when the economy was good, corporations recruiting from some of the most prestigious business schools would make parent packets for the recruits because they saw parents were becoming involved in salary negotiations for the most sought-after recruits.

I kid you not.

All together now: "HELICOPTER PARENTS!"

If the kid isn't capable of dealing with the hiring process independently, how is s/he going to deal with the daily work process? Or will Mommy and Daddy be tagging along each day, just to make sure Junior or Juniorette won't have the chance to make ANY mistakes (and thereby, you know, learn)?

[jorjasmith]

The issue of bringing children to an interview is not limited to just the nursing field. Prior to switching to medical field I was in the legal field and I saw it all. Resumes, the way an individual dressed to come to an interview as well as the writing skills were all sub par. Honestly, there seems to be an attitude of entitlement that most individuals currently have, i.e. an individual applies for a job and believes that they already have it just because they applied. I don't understand it, as I was always taught that when you are humble you tend to get further in life. And as far as living beyond your means, it simply amazes me how many new nurses I see graduate from nursing school, get a job and within months, are driving a new expensive vehicle. I know one should indulge one's self every now and then but aren't you aware that the minute you drive the car off the lot, it depreciates at least several thousand dollars?? It's disheartening but that is the world of immediate gratification that we live in.

[cmw6v8]

I haven't read all the replies so forgive me if I'm being redundant...but I'm a second-career nursing student, and I must say I am very thankful to my previous college and work experience for preparing me for the "real world." We learned how to write resumes, interview etiquette, etc. in class (not a specific class but just in our regular curriculum). Econ was also a requirement for my major...in fact I think MOST majors required econ at my school. Anyway, I don't think a specific course should be required, just encouragement and advice from instructors in regular classes. All it takes is a little common sense, meaningful thought, and perhaps a book or two on resumes and interviewing from the library.

I start my nursing coursework full-time in the fall, and I'm using this summer to start preparing for the job hunt I'll embark on in two years (building a simple website with my resume, finding contacts at organizations I'm interested in, etc.). Networking skills are also really important it seems. I think in order to really thrive in any industry, or in real life in general, you have to be savvy with stuff like this, along with personal finances, and even current events. But I do think it's mostly up to the individual to acquire these skills by being observant and seeking knowledge.