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dear all,

i am an international nursing student in tx, usa. i have recently got my canadian permanent resident card and willing to move to toronto, since i cannot work in the usa legally. also, i just completed second semester of nursing school (rn) and heading to get a third semester in the fall of 2010. so, how can i transfer my nursing and other prereq. classes into colleges in toronto? i am really confused, i've e-mailed to several colleges that offer rpn programs in toronto. unfortunately, no one has replied yet. i really do not know what to do? i do not want to stay in the usa. or is it better to complete my associated degree in nursing in tx, and then register for canadian nclex??? please help me, your advises would be highly appreciated...

thank you.

Silverdragon102, BSN

Has 32 years experience. Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

OK for a start there is no such thing as Canadian NCLEX it is CRNE and to meet requirements you will need to complete nursing course and if in the US sit and pass NCLEX first as you need to be licensed.

I doubt you will be able to transfer across to Canada but someone with Canadian student experience would be able to respond more accurately to this, so you may have to consider staying and completing your training and then apply to the province college of RN

Fiona59

Has 18 years experience.

dear all,

i am an international nursing student in tx, usa. i have recently got my canadian permanent resident card and willing to move to toronto, since i cannot work in the usa legally. also, i just completed second semester of nursing school (rn) and heading to get a third semester in the fall of 2010. so, how can i transfer my nursing and other prereq. classes into colleges in toronto? i am really confused, i've e-mailed to several colleges that offer rpn programs in toronto. unfortunately, no one has replied yet. i really do not know what to do? i do not want to stay in the usa. or is it better to complete my associated degree in nursing in tx, and then register for canadian nclex??? please help me, your advises would be highly appreciated...

thank you.

wow, your willing to move to toronto? the hardships you will suffer.:devil::eek:

people who were born here and those who settled here becauses they wanted to, have a hard time moving nursing courses from province to province, never mind country to country.

you do not want to stay in the us but are willing to move to toronto. where do you really want to be.

NotReady4PrimeTime, RN

Has 25 years experience. Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

It's VERY difficult to move education credits internationally, as you are wishing to do. Educational programs differ widely from place to place in what they include and how they're organized, making assessment of equivalency on a credit-by-credit basis extremely complex and time-consuming. Most schools won't even look at the possibility of transferring credits for that reason.

You say you're in an RN program in the US, so I'm wondering why you're looking at RPN programs in Ontario. Then there's the issue of your possibly completing your ADN in Texas... Ontario will not accept that educational preparation for entry to practice so it would be wasted time and money. The minimum qualification for entry to practice as an RN is a baccalaureate degree in nursing. If you truly want to live and work as a nurse in Canada you'd do better to just start over at a Canadian university.

Yes, thank you very much for all comments,

As janfrn said, it's better stay in TX and complete my ADN program, I guess. The reason why I do not want to stay in the US is as I mentioned earlier, I do not have a Green Card to work in the US. So what is the point staying in the US? I thought maybe better to move to Canada, since I have Canadian PC and at least can get a job like phlebotomist or nurse aid while I am going to Nursing School. (I have certificates in both).

NotReady4PrimeTime, RN

Has 25 years experience. Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

You should read what I wrote again. It's NOT better to complete your ADN in Texas, because Ontario won't give you a permit to practice with an ADN.

If you are on a student visa, you can get one year work experience on that visa in the U.S. its called optional practical training

In addition to the last post: If you did the OPT on your student visa, you could work in the U.S. for a year and then maybe an employer would sponser you after that? This is just a suggestion since it seems like you truly want to work in the U.S. but are only "willing" to work in Canada because you can't work in the U.S legally. After reading several posts, I have noticed that many Canadian nurses who are MORE than willing to live in Toronto are having a hard time finding work in Toronto at this time..

bek

This is a very busy time of year for colleges so you may have to wait for a reply. In the meantime, maybe you can post your question on settlement.org and see if anyone can describe their experience of applying to transfer international credits to a Toronto college.

Also, try contacting York University regarding the IEN program, ask if you will be eligible for this program if you complete the ADN in Texas, pass the NCLEX and obtain licensure from the Texas BON.

Regarding getting a job as a phlebotomist or a nursing aide while you go to school, just to let you know there are not many of these jobs available and there are people already in Toronto with Canadian training and experience and local references who are competing for these jobs.

regards

dishes

itsmejuli

Specializes in Home Care.

Here's a dose of reality.

I'm a Canadian citizen and US permanent resident. I live, work and go to nursing school in Florida. Sounds all rosy doesn't it?

I want to go to Alberta to live and work. My children left Florida; they are in Alberta along with the rest of my family.

The reality is that I need to complete a BSN here in FL before I can go to Alberta. I wouldn't dream of attempting to transfer college credits to a Canadian university.

The reality is that there are few to no nursing jobs right now in Alberta. And from what I've read the employment situation for new RN grads is dreary across Canada and the US.

Hopefully in 5 yrs things will be different and I can find a nursing job in Alberta.

In your case OP, since you've been granted permanent residency in Canada, you'd probably be better off living in Canada and starting over with school.

Silverdragon102, BSN

Has 32 years experience. Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Just to add even if you use OPT and you do find a sponsor unless retrogression has lifted and visa allocation is current you will have to leave the US and wait.

I strongly suggest you think long and hard, BSN is required for most provinces so if you do ADN and pass NCLEX and work OPT you may have to maintain student status and do BSN to meet Canadian requirements, alternatively start over again in Canada from scratch

One possibility is finishing your ADN in Texas and working there for year while you complete an online RN to BSN program in Canada such as the one at Athabasca or doing that after you get to Canada and are working some other job.

As others have mentioned there aren't many RN jobs in Toronto or Alberta or other Canadian cities right now.

If you can get into an RPN program in Ontario it might be worth doing even without being able to transfer classes. I hear there are more RPN jobs than RN jobs in Toronto.

Alberta said last year that it was going to replace RNs with LPNs. It is a weird situation that RNs are supposed to have BSNs now but the market wants RPNs/LPNs.

Fiona59

Has 18 years experience.

One possibility is finishing your ADN in Texas and working there for year while you complete an online RN to BSN program in Canada such as the one at Athabasca or doing that after you get to Canada and are working some other job.

As others have mentioned there aren't many RN jobs in Toronto or Alberta or other Canadian cities right now.

If you can get into an RPN program in Ontario it might be worth doing even without being able to transfer classes. I hear there are more RPN jobs than RN jobs in Toronto.

Alberta said last year that it was going to replace RNs with LPNs. It is a weird situation that RNs are supposed to have BSNs now but the market wants RPNs/LPNs.

1. What visa do you propose? He doesn't qualifty for permanent resident status.

2. Alberta is a province not a city.

3. Ontario's PN programmes have plenty of home grown applicants.

4. You are misquoting Duckitt (and I'm no great fan or defender of his). Alberta is hoping to utilize the appropriate nurse for the unit in question. The difference in scope of practice between an L and an R is very fine. It makes no financial sense to have units that are 8 RNs and 2 LPNs when it could function with a 50/50 split. The skills that divide the nurses on most surgical and medical units are not skills done a daily or hourly basis. The reason that the changes are happening now is there is a huge of lack of funds in healthcare. And many senior RNs are taking the buyout package, opening up jobs that have been held by them for the last 3 or 4 decades. You can't change a position with an incumbent and many of the jobs held by these nurses are perfectly within the LPNs scope.

Alberta's LPNs have not been consulted over the years about changes in their scope, it's merely been decided for them. Just as it has been for the RNs. But bear in mind that the PN that passes CPNRE today has more skills than the graduates of the RN programmes of the '70s and early '80s. The RNs from that era had their skills upgraded in the hospital setting to keep them current with their ever expanding scope of practice.

I apologize for writing quickly and clumsily. I just wanted to help him understand that the nursing job situation is complicated and difficult. You did that better than I.

NotReady4PrimeTime, RN

Has 25 years experience. Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

Also, there is NO way anyone could work full time while completing the online PN-to-RN course at Athabasca in one year. It cannot be done. Most people who do the course take 5 years to do it.

I completed an ADN program in Washington State and then was accepted to do a RN to BSN program in Canada. It is possible. But I would definitely complete your ADN program in Texas first. Not sure if it makes a difference though that I am a Canadian citizen. I ended up completing my BSN in the US though since I am still living and working in the US and it was more practical to do so.

First of all,

once you become a permanent resident of Canada there are some stipulations, i.e. you can stay a permanent resident if you live in Canada for at least a certain time period. So, make sure that you do not overstep the boundaries and loose your PR.

Second, if you want to live in Ontario, the College of Registered Nurses of Ontario, or the RN governing body, offers a bridge program for ADNs, just contact them and ask them about it.

In my opinion, if you can stay in the US and not loose Canadian PR rights, you are better off getting an ADN, work as an RN under OPT and get in the meanwhile an RN to BSN.

If the retrogression is not lifted by the end of your opt, and it probably won't, then you can go to Canada with a BSN and experience!

Thank you very much you all,

I am traveling to Toronto in July, 2010, so I am going to visit the CRNO to get more detailed info.

dear all,

i am an international nursing student in tx, usa. i have recently got my canadian permanent resident card and willing to move to toronto, since i cannot work in the usa legally. also, i just completed second semester of nursing school (rn) and heading to get a third semester in the fall of 2010. so, how can i transfer my nursing and other prereq. classes into colleges in toronto? i am really confused, i've e-mailed to several colleges that offer rpn programs in toronto. unfortunately, no one has replied yet. i really do not know what to do? i do not want to stay in the usa. or is it better to complete my associated degree in nursing in tx, and then register for canadian nclex??? please help me, your advises would be highly appreciated...

thank you.

i live in bc but got my lpn education in the u.s. my credentials were evaluated by ices international body as i was directed by clpnbc and was accepted to sit for clpn exam in bc. what i'm saying is as long as you have completed the nursing program, lpn or rn, bc is going to accept your credentials after ices evaluation. visit clpnbc and ices for more information. now, i don't know if you are already a lpn as that counts. as for the transfer of credits to a canadian college, i'm scratching my head about it as well coz i need to transfer mine but my little research tells me it is posible, depending on college and the time lapse. if you can stay in the u.s. and complete ur education that's good but if not, there is always a way out. gud luck!

I realize this post is a few months old, and im surprised that no one has suggested this, but have you considered just going to a school across the border to do your RN-BSN whilst living in Canada? For example, I live in BC and less then an hours drive away across the border is an RN-BSN program offered by U Washington. there are several 1-2 day pr week options across the border from Ontario in New York State that you should consider. It would only take a few semesters and is much quicker then doing an entire 4 yrs and shelling out thousands at an Ontario College for a BSN. There is absolutely no way that your nursing credits will transfer to any Canadian BSN program...they totally frown at the thought and make it clear that they are not willing to make any exceptions (this is also from personal experience). Dont let all your hard work go to waste, just do a RN-BSN program across the border or online and dont even think twice about it. and dont bother to transfer to a RPN again, you invested alot of time and money into an ADN so you might as well do the required BSN.

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