U.S. pays for care of illegal aliens

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U.S. pays for care of illegal aliens

Treatment money for border states

Tuesday, May 10, 2005

By ROBERT PEAR

THE NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration said yesterday that it would start paying hospitals and doctors for providing emergency care to illegal immigrants.

The money, totaling $1 billion, will be available for services provided from today through September 2008. Congress provided the money as part of the 2003 law that expanded Medicare to cover prescription drugs, but the new payments have nothing to do with the Medicare program.

Members of Congress from border states had sought the money. They said treatment of illegal immigrants imposed a huge financial burden on many hospitals, which are required to provide emergency care to patients who need it, regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay.

Under the new program, hospitals are supposed to ask patients for documents to substantiate payment claims. But Dr. Mark McClellan, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said a hospital should not directly ask a patient "if he or she is an undocumented alien."

Instead, he said, hospitals can try to establish a patient's status by analyzing the answers to "indirect questions": Is the person eligible for Medicaid? (If so, payment is generally not available under the new program.) Has the person reported a foreign place of birth? Does the person have a border-crossing card like those issued to Mexican citizens? Does the person have a foreign passport, a foreign driver's license or a foreign identification card?

The Bush administration abandoned a proposal that would have required many hospitals to ask patients if they were U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.

"In no circumstances are hospitals required to ask people about their citizenship status," McClellan said yesterday.

Hospital executives and immigrant rights groups had said such questions would deter illegal immigrants from seeking care and could lead to serious public health problems by increasing the spread of communicable diseases.

Cecilia Munoz, a vice president of the National Council of La Raza, a Latino civil rights group, said the new requirements were an improvement over the original proposal but would still discourage some immigrants from seeking treatment.

"Hospitals will have to ask confusing, highly technical questions about immigration documents," Munoz said. "That will create a perception in the Latino community that you have to show your papers in order to get emergency care. That's a misperception, but it may be enough to deter some people from seeking care."

The new program is run by the Department of Health and Human Services. McClellan said the department would not provide information about illegal immigrants to law enforcement officials for use in "routine civil immigration proceedings." But in rare cases, he said, the information may be used in criminal investigations.

The largest allocations this fiscal year are going to California, which will receive $70.8 million; Texas, $46 million; Arizona, $45 million; New York, $12.3 million; Illinois, $10.3 million; Florida, $8.7 million; and New Mexico, $5.1 million.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
True. I saw a special on TV once, and I believe it was about that hospital where the late President John F. Kennedy was taken and pronounced dead when he was assasinated. The name escapes me, right now.

But, anyway, it was about how they had more high risk births than any other hospital in the nation, and many of the moms were illegal aliens from Mexico who came to the U.S right near term having had absolutely no prenatal care, and literally showed up on the doorstep of their high risk prenatal clinic. I wonder how they even knew about it, unless they had relatives and freinds from back home who had done the exact same thing? Of course, now that the baby would be born here, the baby would be a U.S citizen, and I guess the family could stay.

But the program went on--it was a documentary of this one high risk illegal mom who, on her first ultrasound at this prenatal clinic (indeed, her first prenatal visit in her life) it was discovered that she had multiple fetuses. A staggering amount of money was spent to hospitalize her at that moment and plan for a team to deliver these multiple babies by C-section when the time came, (something like 6 weeks later) and I am certain they were all cared for in the hospital's NICU afterwards. Of course, this was all courtesy of U.S. taxpayers.

I don't know what the solution is. There are times that I listen to Michael Savage and believe all he says about protecting our "Borders, Language and Culture." There are other times when my liberalism kicks in and I feel that, if those poor illegals can make it across the border, more power to them. In fact, I was driving across the desert from San Diego, headed to Brawley, CA, and on the way back I was hoping that I would run across a caravan of illegals, so that I could stash them ion my trunk and get them safey across the checkpoint. Would that have been wise? No, but I feel for any human being or animal that is out in the desert, without food or water, (they have been known to drink the water that is in tanks for overheated radiators, perhaps not being able to read Spanish, let alone English, warning against the practice) trying despearately to seek a better life.

I'd rather pay taxes, I think, for hard working people coming here illegally to seek a better life for their families than I would for lazy citizens who would defraud or even depend on welfare and carelessly have one baby after another----by multiple deadbeat or even unknown dads--rather than work for a living or acquire some career skills.

Actually, the baby is a citizen, so they can legally stay, but the family can't (of course, many times they stay illegally). I would support legalizing much more immigration than is allowed currently. I don't consider that "liberal", I consider it good common sense. They are the backbone of California agriculture. I sure don't want to take a job stooped over picking strawberries or tomatoes all day, or work in a chicken processing plant. The tourism industry needs someone to clean all those hotel rooms, and you're not going to find many Americans willing to do it for the wee bit of money they make for doing it. Politicians who rally against illegal immigration but employ undocumented housekeepers and gardeners are such hypocrites.

True. I saw a special on TV once, and I believe it was about that hospital where the late President John F. Kennedy was taken and pronounced dead when he was assasinated. The name escapes me, right now.

But, anyway, it was about how they had more high risk births than any other hospital in the nation, and many of the moms were illegal aliens from Mexico who came to the U.S right near term having had absolutely no prenatal care, and literally showed up on the doorstep of their high risk prenatal clinic. I wonder how they even knew about it, unless they had relatives and freinds from back home who had done the exact same thing? Of course, now that the baby would be born here, the baby would be a U.S citizen, and I guess the family could stay.

But the program went on--it was a documentary of this one high risk illegal mom who, on her first ultrasound at this prenatal clinic (indeed, her first prenatal visit in her life) it was discovered that she had multiple fetuses. A staggering amount of money was spent to hospitalize her at that moment and plan for a team to deliver these multiple babies by C-section when the time came, (something like 6 weeks later) and I am certain they were all cared for in the hospital's NICU afterwards. Of course, this was all courtesy of U.S. taxpayers.

I don't know what the solution is. There are times that I listen to Michael Savage and believe all he says about protecting our "Borders, Language and Culture." There are other times when my liberalism kicks in and I feel that, if those poor illegals can make it across the border, more power to them. In fact, I was driving across the desert from San Diego, headed to Brawley, CA, and on the way back I was hoping that I would run across a caravan of illegals, so that I could stash them ion my trunk and get them safey across the checkpoint. Would that have been wise? No, but I feel for any human being or animal that is out in the desert, without food or water, (they have been known to drink the water that is in tanks for overheated radiators, perhaps not being able to read Spanish, let alone English, warning against the practice) trying despearately to seek a better life.

I'd rather pay taxes, I think, for hard working people coming here illegally to seek a better life for their families than I would for lazy citizens who would defraud or even depend on welfare and carelessly have one baby after another----by multiple deadbeat or even unknown dads--rather than work for a living or acquire some career skills.

It's Parkland Hospital in Dallas, in my opinion , one of the best hospitals in the country. Not much to look at, but great care.

Most years they have the most births of any hospital in the country. They also have a world famous burn unit and trauma service. They do serve a huge immigrant population.

No, the family cannot stay because of the birth of a baby. The child must be 18 in order to petition for the immigration of the parent. There are many cases of parents being deported even though they have US born children (under 18).The baby is a citizen though, and does get the rights that go along with that.

Thank goodness I live in Canada

Thank goodness I live in Canada

You may not be aware of it, but there are similar issues in Canada. I worked with MANY self-paying patients in Vancouver and many illegal immigrants in Toronto. It takes a certain amount of time and paperwork before people are covered under most provincial health plans.

It's Parkland Hospital in Dallas, in my opinion , one of the best hospitals in the country. Not much to look at, but great care.

Most years they have the most births of any hospital in the country. They also have a world famous burn unit and trauma service. They do serve a huge immigrant population.

No, the family cannot stay because of the birth of a baby. The child must be 18 in order to petition for the immigration of the parent. There are many cases of parents being deported even though they have US born children (under 18).The baby is a citizen though, and does get the rights that go along with that.

Yes, I saw that on the TV special---the high risk prenatal clinic and the team that was assembled to deliver the babies when the time came were obviously top notch. I am sure everybody who works in those areas at Parkland is. You could tell they had a great deal of pride in their mission. They could set the standard for high risk births everywhere; perhaps they do.

I wonder if Parkland has issues with understaffing? That's the type of hospital--one that serves a huge indigent population, in addition to their own self-paying or insured community---that needs a safe staffing law (minimum RN to patient ratios) as we have in CA.

It's Parkland Hospital in Dallas, in my opinion , one of the best hospitals in the country. Not much to look at, but great care.

Most years they have the most births of any hospital in the country. They also have a world famous burn unit and trauma service. They do serve a huge immigrant population.

No, the family cannot stay because of the birth of a baby. The child must be 18 in order to petition for the immigration of the parent. There are many cases of parents being deported even though they have US born children (under 18).The baby is a citizen though, and does get the rights that go along with that.

So, what happens to the baby if the parents are to be deported? Do the parents just go back to Mexico (courtesy of the INS) with the baby? Does the baby, now a U.S. citiczen, get assigned a civil rights or immigration law attorney (also courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers, of course) to protect his right to stay here? Does the process start immediately (I mean, do the parents get reported to the INS by the hospital?) and does INS show up at the hospital, ready to start deportation proceedings? This is really interesting; please share your experiences of what you have seen unfold.

In Maryland we see illegals fly here, have their babies, then take their babies home with them.

When the child is 18, they move to the U.S. as citizens, then bring their parents here. Thus, the parents still get to come here legally and spend their midlife and old age in more comfort than they would in their home country.

So, what happens to the baby if the parents are to be deported? Do the parents just go back to Mexico (courtesy of the INS) with the baby? Does the baby, now a U.S. citiczen, get assigned a civil rights or immigration law attorney (also courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers, of course) to protect his right to stay here? Does the process start immediately (I mean, do the parents get reported to the INS by the hospital?) and does INS show up at the hospital, ready to start deportation proceedings? This is really interesting; please share your experiences of what you have seen unfold.

Either the parent finds an adult with legal status in the US to keep the child, or they take the child back to Mexico with them. The law is pretty clear on it.

Hospitals rarely report to INS. Hospital social workers are usually too overloaded with abuse cases to report immigration violations.

You may get a person in the hospital who takes it upon themselves to report the situation to INS, but they are so swamped with cases that no one from INS would show up in time to do anything.

If they reported every undocumented immigrant who came through Parkland, the hospital would be empty.

For the record, I have never worked at Parkland as a social worker. I am familiar with immigration issues through past work experience and education.

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So, what happens to the baby if the parents are to be deported? Do the parents just go back to Mexico (courtesy of the INS) with the baby? Does the baby, now a U.S. citiczen, get assigned a civil rights or immigration law attorney (also courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers, of course) to protect his right to stay here? Does the process start immediately (I mean, do the parents get reported to the INS by the hospital?) and does INS show up at the hospital, ready to start deportation proceedings? This is really interesting; please share your experiences of what you have seen unfold.

No hospitals that I'm familiar with would ever report to the INS, period. Of course, they do report to law enforcement when required, and the cops probably call the INS, but otherwise, there is no way the INS would be involved, even indirectly. Actually, I'd think it'd be a HIPAA violation to report a medical situation to an agency that has absolutely nothing to do with medical care or funding, but I don't know that. As for a child being a U.S. citizen, most of the parents just stay in the U.S. illegally. They do have jobs, which many times they secure using fake social security numbers. Thus, they are paying taxes but will never receive many of the benefits the rest of us can expect when we retire or if we become disabled. If they are caught and deported, they can and often do leave the child with a friend or relative who is here legally. Most of the Hispanic people I know have very tight family bonds, and step in when needed.

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Anyone and everyone who is need of medical attention should be able to regardless of their immigration status. I think it is the humane thing to do. Also, you never know or are able to prove with certainty that an alien will not be discriminated because of their status, once the hospital finds out. :rolleyes:

It is just my opinion. One thing is providing benefits like food stamps and other aid.......but another is medical treatment. Treatment should be available regardless. Anything else is just extra IMO.

Jessica

WOW!! You hit the nail on the proverbial head. Nobody should be denied medical treatment regardless of their immigration/financial status. PERIOD!!!!

Illegal Aliens cost this country way more in money than they ever give back. Most work under the table and at low wages and contribute little if any money in taxes to our system. Many use the ER's as primary care and even utilize ambulances for non-emergent conditions becuase they don't have to pay for it. As far as things costing more if Illegals weren't here, I have two thoughts. (Same excuse farmers use for subsidies, even though we pay farmers not to plant)

A.) wouldn't cost me more because I wouldn't buy it.

B.) Americans would be forced to do labor intensive jobs if we eliminated the welfare system.

The trouble is we have two many people in this country getting handouts. People receiving Social Security who never paid into it. People constantly wanting unemployment benefits extended the list goes on and on. Even with the federal government providing money to the hospitals is still our tax dollars being wasted. I have had illegals in the ER at various times when I worked out west and I would call the INS on them, but not sure if any follow-up was done on their part.

Specializes in Medical/Surgical/Maternal and Child.

The INS won't actively deport illegal aliens unless they are in the work place. They are very swamped to really care about your average undocumented worker unless they raid the place she/he is working at. It is a rare hospital that will report an illegal. Whether people like to admit it or not, these people help more than they hinder the economy of the USA. Most of the ones I have had contact with are too proud to get on welfare and get food stamps. Plus because they work with fake names and Social Security cards they do pay taxes but cannot file Income Tax. So if the are entitled to a tax refund they won't collect it due to fear of being discovered.

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