Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
If a socialized medical system comes about then theres got to be SOME form of goverment price control over the prices being charged by the drug companies, hospitals, and doctors and so if there is price controls then everyone in the medical system would get pinched right? There just wont be the same amount of money as there is right now so everyone from HMO's all the way down to nurses would get a financial bite in the butt correct?
Price controls -- in the form of fixed reimbursement levels, be they government or private sector -- have been in place for decades.
The issue isn't hospital salaries. It's the obscene profits taken by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Get rid of that profit and you take pressure off the system -- you free hundreds of millions of dollars each year.
You can do that by expanding the single-payer health care system that already covers millions of Americans: Medicare. Perfect? No. Does it work? Yes. Medicare doesn't turn a profit. Medicare doesn't spend millions on marketing. And with single payer, doctors' practices and hospitals don't have to employ scores of people to deal with billing scores of insurance companies. You eliminate much of the administrative overhead.
And what does that mean? Savings estimated at more than $300 million a year, according to Princeton economist Paul Krugman, even with coverage expanded to those Americans who now go without.
There's also another aspect to this: Think about the scores of jobs we're losing from our economy right now because we don't guarantee health care to all. (Toyota comes to mind: It opted to build a plant in Canada because health care expenses would be covered by the government. General Motors has said that health care adds more than $1,500 to the price of one of its cars -- and it made that statement nearly three years ago.) The current system has a price tag that goes beyond insurance premiums and deductibles.
So what is it that people object to changing? Or do they just hear the word "socialism" and have a kneejerk reaction?
to pretty much put to rest that hillary quote, here's some more discussion on it at snopes.com. just browsing it looked like there was some good discussion there. taken out of context or a straight out lie, they have more to go off of than we do it seems:
op means original poster. i am sorry about the 17 thing. i should have not said that.
angel
you are right, you shouldn't have, but at least you have the heart to take back what you said unlike some of the rest of the people on this forum. i dont know why anytime any one discusses anything, people on this forum have to take it upon them selves to make it personal and be all out rude. all it was, was his opinion and a question. there is no point in even trying to ask a question or start a conversation, when all you get back is negativety instead of objective, adult conversation.
You are right, you shouldn't have, but at least you have the heart to take back what you said unlike some of the rest of the people on this forum. i dont know why anytime any one discusses anything, people on this forum have to take it upon them selves to make it personal and be all out rude. all it was, was his opinion and a question. there is no point in even trying to ask a question or start a conversation, when all you get back is negativety instead of objective, adult conversation.
Yeah when I first posted the question of socialized medicine bringing down nursing wages certain people seem like they want to destroy any thought other than what they feel is right. When someone asks a question and gets blasted for it they tend to keep quite the next time they really need good information.
Yeah when I first posted the question of socialized medicine bringing down nursing wages certain people seem like they want to destroy any thought other than what they feel is right. When someone asks a question and gets blasted for it they tend to keep quite the next time they really need good information.
i agree and it is very sad that professional adults can not carry on a conversation with differences of opinion without lashing out at one another. everything has to be made personal. what if you cant stand hilary clinton? that's your opinion, but you shouldnt be bashed for it. and anyway, the discussion was not about hilary, it was about the possible reform of healthcare, but many defended hilary (someone they have never meet and that you said nothing negative about) as if you had just called their mother a name. that's ridiculous. i personally dont get into politics but it is still very sad that adults cant control their themselves in a discussion.....
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If a socialized medical system comes about then theres got to be SOME form of goverment price control over the prices being charged by the drug companies, hospitals, and doctors and so if there is price controls then everyone in the medical system would get pinched right? There just wont be the same amount of money as there is right now so everyone from HMO's all the way down to nurses would get a financial bite in the butt correct?
there' is going to be some element of profit control and in certain areas less transparency of price to the consumer - most people in the Uk couldn't tell the price of medicines other than either
a)otcs
b)high cost 'life extending' palliative cancer drugs which aresubject to clinical control and NICE guidance , thanks to ill informed lobbying from the gutter press
becasue most PoMs end up costign the consumer the 6.80 gbp NHS outpatient / primary care prescription charge
Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
Yeah when I first posted the question of socialized medicine bringing down nursing wages certain people seem like they want to destroy any thought other than what they feel is right. When someone asks a question and gets blasted for it they tend to keep quite the next time they really need good information.
Hot Stud-
I do have to agree with parts of quote #2 -you should be able to ask questions and not get blasted for it. If its info your asking for please please ask away. However, look at yourquote #1 your entire post is loaded with hearsay. Ask a question of nurses like will our wages drop by $10/hr and your bound to get people riled up. You cannot really believe that you can throw these "hypothetical" questions out and then stand back and plead total innocence. Also Hillarys plan is not "socialized medicine". True socialized medicine is that which is controlled and financed by the government. Her plan calls for health coverage for all- but it does offer choices for all. You may either continue with your current plan, be given the option to choose from health plan options, or a public health plan.
It is not the asking of the questions that got you into hot water it was your choice of words and images that did. Connotation means everything especially in the written word.
are you 17?
:lol2:. sorry....
Also Hillarys plan is not "socialized medicine". True socialized medicine is that which is controlled and financed by the government. Her plan calls for health coverage for all- but it does offer choices for all. You may either continue with your current plan, be given the option to choose from health plan options, or a public health plan.
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sorry