Two Questions

In my hunble opinion a great deal has been lost. Also in my opinion any addition to current medicine is a plus. From what I have seen it can use all the help it can get!

TiredBraveHeart

"two questions" is not my name; i have two questions.

1. how do nai feel about shamans/medicine people from other cultures? or in my case, i study inka shamanism but have cherokee blood. great grandpappy was nai.

i am sure there is a mutual respect extended outward to these others (wise men/women)....even outside one's own cultural heritage. the indian only have issue for the most part with religious folk who have either tried to convert them in the past by force or by manipulation.

2. has much of the healing tradition been lost in nai?

i am sure like most things that there is the risk of many things vanishing ...native medicine, native approaches, native language, native customs. this is of concern....because once lost....those ways are gone. this is why our elders (just like our children) are sacred to us.

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Gone are the days where local homesteaders ran screaming from the great white doctor and his bag or leeches to the local Native medicine man?

leslymill, i am confused about your post. could you please clarify it for me. it sounds to me as if you are putting down shamans. i am sure i misunderstood. surely that was not the intent of your post?

tiredbraveheart:confused:

"Two questions" is not my name; I have two questions.

1. How do NAI feel about shamans/medicine people from other cultures? Or in my case, I study Inka shamanism but have Cherokee blood. Great grandpappy was NAI.

2. Has much of the healing tradition been lost in NAI?

Lots lost, to alcohol. Enough remains that 'incurable' diseases can be healed if the person wholeheartedly incorporates traditional ritual and belief into themselves to become a part of it during ceremony and ongoing every day in a life long prayer this way. Just have to know where to look to find the truth.

leslymill, i am confused about your post. could you please clarify it for me. it sounds to me as if you are putting down shamans. i am sure i misunderstood. surely that was not the intent of your post?

tiredbraveheart:confused:

no it wasn't. i didn't make myself too clear. .. lol call me a mystic christian when it comes to native americans.

basically i wanted to point out that thunderwolf's statement was a sad thing to hear, because when the world first learned of native american medicine, it was more advanced in it's ability to save lives here in this country than the medicine brought from the old world (archaic and deadly treatments). many creole and wilderness folk preferred to go to natives when they got sick.

2. has much of the healing tradition been lost in nai?

i am sure like most things that there is the risk of many things vanishing ...native medicine, native approaches, native language, native customs. this is of concern....because once lost....those ways are gone. this is why our elders (just like our children) are sacred to us

maybe i just was sarcastic somewhat because native american's should keep the native approach to medicine sacred. they should never be gone.

to make it clear from how i see it europeans would have killed all africans and native americans if god had not intervened. i truly think when congress rejected the supreme court ruling on behalf of the cherokee and sent them on the "trail of tears", with the $30.00 and a blanket, they had every hope that they would not survive and their indian problem was solved. many died, but many learned that the land was truly theirs and would with god's help always be theirs. the land saved them. in africa there is an immunity to illnesses that native africans have that they need to preserve. european threaten that bond. i would just want those ways preserved till the lord's return.

the worse tragedy to occur when europeans arrived in the americas was the introduction of horrible diseases and the deaths of many tribes from them. bush men of africa and shaman in america traditionally turn to dreams and visions. as a christian, by belief is that the interpretation of some of these dreams and visions are not yet fulfilled. i am not thinking we should seek them out, like jews seek signs. they should remain with us though and they should not be forgotten.

we are a nation in a nation.

Hi, I believe reclaimming any tradition et celebrating our children et elders is worth while. My children have attended an Ojibwa Head Start, they also are learning culture et arts in the local school here, we had to open enrollment et drive every day, it is worth it. When I care for patients from the area @ work, they recognize me. I seem to have an easier time than some of my peers...

okay now i have another question leslymill. lol what is a mystic christian? i am so glad that i misunderstood you! no offense intended, just wondering what a mystic christian is. i am nai and a christian, so i was interested in what that was.

thanks,

tbh

okay now i have another question leslymill. lol what is a mystic christian? i am so glad that i misunderstood you! no offense intended, just wondering what a mystic christian is. i am nai and a christian, so i was interested in what that was.

thanks,

tbh

i am a mystic christian when it comes to native americans. this is because i am mystified by what god is doing in my life in relationship to the history of our native fathers as well as african and europeans fathers.. this is a long unclear story that won't be revealed till the last days. for me, god speaks in parables still.

i am rutledge, rudd and miller. (european names) i have some cherokee. rutledge is the name of a continental congressman who signed the declaration of independence on july 4th. he as very reluctant to sign it and we went into war with only 12 of the 13 colonies supporting it. new york was usurped.

i became a christian on july 4 1976. 200 years from the signing of the declaration. (my mother and grandmother can find no proof we are direct descendants of this rutledge on this side of the atlantic, btw .) my family has been military since ww2 and they paid my grandpa not to plant corn. my father was a veteran of the vietnam, korean, and cambodian conflicts. he was stationed in san francisco with another lt colonel who he befriended and started attending his church. that church was run by anton lavey and it was satanic. my dad tried to kill me from the first moment i became a christian. i didn't know what violence was till i met the lord. i had to leave my home and family. i was sent to my mother in oklahoma. we lived in muldrow near sallisaw. i learned of the trail of tears there and how sequoia created a cherokee alphabet. later i did some travel nursing in florida, got bashed by hurricane andrew, lived in a tent for a month before finding a contract in new orleans. the french has some rare accounts of american history i never learned in school. i read in their library how sequoia translated, not only the alphabet into cherokee but the entire bible in 30 days, along with the creek. it is my belief that the american government, as it stands, doomed for sending the cherokee on the trail of tears. i think they did it, not because there was silver in georgia but, because the cherokee and creek both translated the bible into their own tongue and it scared them. just as jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, the five tribes were given $30 each and sent to oklahoma. just like it scared them earlier in 1811 ( point coupe uprising), when god made it clear to black slaves that he would free them. god had made it clear that slavery would be abolished 50 years before it occurred. every 50 years god has jews celebrate something called jubilee. i think god sent me to oklahoma at age 16 to maintain my sanity and he agreed i should be a nurse. he truly did bring a sword to me and not peace, but oklahoma was peace for me and i don't know why, but i know when i study indian culture the peace gets stronger.. see how mystified i am....lol. i really could go on and on. it is on my mind a lot since hurricane katrina was 13 years after hurricane andrew. i left new orleans like lot left sodom, a year before the storm....i am mystified....i could write all night.....i could use every ounce of allnurses.com's bandwidth....:monkeydance:

leslymill,

i am suprised it does not sound like you give god the credit for saving you from your evil father. i hope not to offend anyone, but i do not recognize satan the deciever and author of confusion and destruction as a church. it sounds as if you were sent to save your life. another thing i would have people know that directly before the great tsunami the government in that area had just decided to kick all of the christian missionarys out of the area. i am not trying to get religious. i am very aware of how horribly my nai ancestors and the nai people have been treated in the name of god. that was beyond wrong and i believe those who do horrible things in his name will be punished. god is not the author of confusion not is he the author of destruction. the atrocities committed against the native americans in gods name will be punished. maybe not years ago, today ,or tomorrow but i firmly believe that those who comitted these acts will be punished. sorry did not mean to rant. and i sincerely hope that this post will not be deleted. i realize that it is off topic.

thanks,

tbh