Just from reading on here, I've become aware of some of the differences between LPNs and RNs. Some of the things I've read were pushing IV meds and a few other things I can't recall them. But it doesn't seem like there is a whole lot of difference between the pn and rn. Am I wrong? Please fill me in...
I am not a nurse. I've applied to an LPN program...hoping & praying I get in.
Here's my question to the nurses- If there aren't THAT many differences between the 2, why is there such a difference in pay?
A beaten and trampled down question. There is hierarchy in all aspects of life. Heck even the animal species have that with man being at the head of species.
Don't complain about your lot, if you don't like it change. if you can't change it, learn to live with it. If you want to attain more, then acquire more education and get more skills. All these constant fussing is getting old.
One gets a four year degree and another a 1year and you want same level of pay??!!
I have more education than Bill Gates! I need a *BIG* raise!
It depends on what you studied. Having a degree in "Biological Sounds" or "Animal Matter" does not amount to much. The course plays a role too. A big one too, I might add.
A beaten and trampled down question. There is hierarchy in all aspects of life. Heck even the animal species have that with man being at the head of species.
After spending the last five or so Sundays watching "Life" (the nature show narrated by Oprah) I'm beginning to believe that many animal species are infinitely more intelligent than man.
you know whats funny,i had a thread a while back about an lpn getting paid more than me. according to what everyone wrote,its my fault for not negotiating wages better,even though we both had the same amount of experience. most were writing why do i think i should make more when i only had 2 more semesters of education than the lpn and that i didnt "specialize" so why should i get more? someone wrote about an rn doing lpn level work and why did i expect to get paid more if i wasnt doing rn level work. So,what is Rn level work if the scope of practice overlaps?
the only real difference ive noticed between an rn and lpn where i work is the IV stuff, and acting as supervisor (but there are also rns who dont work in supervision)
the ones i have worked with at my current place of employment are definetly not afraid to get their hands dirty. i cant really say that about all the rns though)
everything else is the same(and im lucky to work with some great lpns for the most part)
After spending the last five or so Sundays watching "Life" (the nature show narrated by Oprah) I'm beginning to believe that many animal species are infinitely more intelligent than man.
And I'm only half joking!
When they construct something worthwhile, i'll believe you but until then...
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
QUOTE=Katie5;4240169]A beaten and trampled down question. There is hierarchy in all aspects of life. Heck even the animal species have that with man being at the head of species.
Yeah, it is. . . but in fairness to the OP (a pre-nursing student) her question was meant as a sincere quest for info. These threads almost always get testy, it seems. I think the original title of this thread was, "hope this doesn't turn sour" Actually, compared to others I have read, this leans to the domesticated animal species side.
Oh my...this is a HUGE issue in the northeast. We, very experienced, talented, educated, LPN's have been cleaned out of ALL the hospitals. Personally speaking, I have 20+ years of Critical care nursing and Emergency dept nursing. I have done it all and seen it all. I have mentored numerous student nurses. All while side by side with the RN. Or instructing an RN on how to do something. So many times a physician, of any specialty, has asked to have ME assist. But then, the state, NH, in my case has phased us out. Not an issue with the salary for me because I LOVED MY JOB! Now, I have trouble finding a job other than homecare. I carry BLS, ACLS, PALS, etc. I have always kept my credentials current, I have fulfilled all the state requirements to continue my licensure. I don't have the proper paperwork to be accepted to a nursing school at this point without starting from scratch. It has left me with many many tears and now building anger. I feel useless. Know this won't get me anywhere to tell you these things, but man, someone should take a step back and look at what a loss these facilities have had.
Can someone please clarify this, I'm a bit confused when in comes to education requirement for RN vs. LPN
Here in Ontario, Canada it takes:
(sem* = 4 month)
1 year (=2 sem*) at a Community College to become a PSW (Pesonal Support Worker) I think it's the equivalent on CNA in US?
2 years(=4 sem*) at a Community College to become a RPN (Registered Practical Nurse) the equivalent of LPN/LVN in US.
4 years(B.S.N.= 8 sem*) at a university to become a Registered Nurse
there is no such thing as a CRNA here (I think there should be!) and there is no RN (ADN) either and I believe NPs after completing their BSN and having at least a couple of years exp. as an RN need to get a MSN, and I believe some NP Certificate that takes either 1 or 2 semester (I'm not sure)
(There are also people who become a RPN first(2 years in CC) and then do a 2 sem bridge at a CC, and then enter into the 3rd year of B.S.N, do the 3rd and 4th year and become a RN, so overall it takes them 5 years to get to RN. (I'm taking this route) OR after become RPN they enter a special RPN to RN university B.S.N prog, which is 3 years, so over all it still takes them 5 years to get to RN not 4 years like a regular B.S.N. way would.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US it's like this as far as I understand (but I'm confused)
CNA = ?
LPN/LVN = 1 year in a CC
RN (A.D.N.) = 2 years in a CC ?
RN (BSN) = 4 years in a uni, right?
is this right all over the US, or it varies by state?
And what is the training for CNAs?
and what about CRNA and NP? How much schooling do they need after the BSN?
And if someone is a RPN in Canada (so they have 2 years of CC) if they moved to the US where would they stand, would they be consider to be a LPN/LVN ?
I am the nurse manager in a long term care facility in Michigan, and yes I am a LPN. My management duties allow me to get paid above the rate of a RN actually.
In michigan, a LPN can do anything an RN can do, as long as they are trained.
As a LPN in a long term care facility here, I am able to do admissions, initiate IV's, hang IV bags, IVPG, give IVP medications, and same with administration through a PICC or central line.
I have been trained to D/C PICCS and Central Lines.
Our Director of Nursing must do competencies on us, to show we are capable.
So at least in the state of Michigan, I am able to practice at the level of a RN although I am a LPN,
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A beaten and trampled down question. There is hierarchy in all aspects of life. Heck even the animal species have that with man being at the head of species.
Don't complain about your lot, if you don't like it change. if you can't change it, learn to live with it. If you want to attain more, then acquire more education and get more skills. All these constant fussing is getting old.
One gets a four year degree and another a 1year and you want same level of pay??!!