Trump Organization, CFO Allen Weisselberg indicted by NY grand jury

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Trump org  "crumbling" starts tomorrow... the Art of the Deal no more.

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MSNBC tonight 6/30/21

Trump Organization, CFO Allen Weisselberg indicted by NY grand jury

NY Times

Trump Organization and Top Executive Are Indicted in Tax Investigation
 

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A grand jury in Manhattan has indicted Donald J. Trump’s family business, the Trump Organization, and one of its top executives in connection with a tax investigation into fringe benefits handed out at the company, people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

The specific charges against the company and its chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, were not immediately clear. The indictment was expected to be unsealed Thursday afternoon after Mr. Weisselberg and lawyers for the Trump Organization appear in court....

 

 

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32 minutes ago, chare said:

Yes, I have.  However, since you obviously missed it I'll say it again.  SummerGarde, I am not a Trump supporter.

Thank you, Chare, my apologies.  Also, I too do not lump true conservatives in with Trump supporters as I have put in my post that you found offensive.  I have separated Trump supporters from everyone else in multiple posts. 

So, since you missed it, Trump supporters are not true conservatives!  Trump supporters believe in a dictatorship with Trump as their supreme ruler.   In fact, they still think Trump is president and they think he will be reinstated at some predetermined date.  I know, crazy, right?  Especially since nothing in our US Constitution says this is to be so!  However, since Trump says this, his hopeful supporters believe his lies. 

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27 minutes ago, chare said:

Yes, I have.  However, since you obviously missed it I'll say it again.  SummerGarde, I am not a Trump supporter.

Yes, it is.

Nah. 

Maybe you feel sensitive about any measure of association between your own conservative politics and the conservative politics of elected officials today...because so much conservative rhetoric or policy today is Trumpcentric. There's one more election cycle for conservatives like yourself to prove to the world that you aren't Trump supporters by voting against every Trump endorsed political candidate. When republican voters vote for Trumper politicians they aren't voting for conservatism.  So, no, I'm not associating conservatives with Trumpers...they are associating themselves with Trump and Trumper politics with their votes. 

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34 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nah. 

Maybe you feel sensitive about any measure of association between your own conservative politics and the conservative politics of elected officials today...because so much conservative rhetoric or policy today is Trumpcentric. There's one more election cycle for conservatives like yourself to prove to the world that you aren't Trump supporters by voting against every Trump endorsed political candidate. When republican voters vote for Trumper politicians they aren't voting for conservatism.  So, no, I'm not associating conservatives with Trumpers...they are associating themselves with Trump and Trumper politics with their votes. 

No, I don't feel "sensitive" about anything.  And, once again you've proved my point: you are branding those of us that identify as conservative with the same lable, Trump supporter.

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8 hours ago, chare said:

No, I don't feel "sensitive" about anything.  And, once again you've proved my point: you are branding those of us that identify as conservative with the same lable, Trump supporter.

No I'm not.  You don't support Trump, why do you keep associating yourself with Trump supporters? If you aren't voting for Trumpian politics and candidates and ignoring dangerous Trumpian rhetoric then you are not a Trumper.  

But again, voting matters and if your "conservative vote" ultimately results in Trumpers controlling the House and Senate and state government then you are just a Trumper in the privacy of the voting booth, IMHO. Conservatives don't support lies, abuse of power and extraconstitutional coup attempts to seize lost power...and that's the current GOP brand. 

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20 hours ago, chare said:

No, I don't feel "sensitive" about anything.  And, once again you've proved my point: you are branding those of us that identify as conservative with the same lable, Trump supporter.

I do see that happening and I do see your point and your frustration.  

I know a lot of Republicans that were not Trump supporters either didn't vote or voted for Biden.  I know at least one who voted for Biden that is a lifelong Republican. 

However, with 74 million people ultimately voting for him, it's easy to make the leap from "I'm a conservative Republican" to "you're a Trump supporter".  Even if that's not fair as a lot of people that don't support him, don't support Biden more and voted for Trump, it how it is.

Sadly the Republicans that don't support Trump seem to be in the minority or seem to be afraid of speaking up.  It's clear what happens when to do.  When politicians tow his line, show up at his rallies in support, they reap the benefits. 

It's just so frustrating that Republicans that don't support Trump can't loosen his grip on not only the party but a huge amount of people. I guess time will tell.

 

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Oh, I understand and "get" the point and the frustration.  

 As Tweety said...if people are a Republican supporting Trumpian politics and candidates but they don't like Trump as a person...it would be frustrating to be considered a Trumper...yet...those are exactly the votes that perpetuate Trump's power and threat to this republic.  Those are the votes that are destroying American conservatism.  

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Those are the votes that are destroying American conservatism.  

Or maybe this is what American conservatism is.  It's found it's voice and was there all along.

The agenda of re-writing voting laws, being against critical race theory, anti-transpersons, pro-military, anti-vaccine and mitigation (pro-personal freedom) etc. etc. is the new conservatism perhaps.  

I honestly could deal with all of that.  I've lived in the conservative South all of my life and grew up in the Jesse Helms years in North Carolina.  I just can't deal with Trump and his lies, and his followers believing his lies.  

And I always go back to my stance that I'm baffled Republicans can't dump him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/opinion/donald-trump-ron-desantis-republican-party.html

But even DeSantis is very mindful of wanting to stay in Trump's and thus his supporters good graces.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/28/desantis-trump-gop-election-496367

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Trump is a displaced despot. He's only using power that republican voters give to him.  Their denial of the hard realities associated with promoting the agenda of a corrupt and racist authoritarian will be the end of this republic if we ignore the scope of the indoctrination of conservative leaning Americans. 

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