:confused:Yo,wazzup. I am registered nurse, paassed the nclex last June 10,2008. and I am going to take my IELTS this Sept. 27, 2008. I have 1 year experience at the hospital.
I am confused and dont know what first step I will take. My aunt(which is a nurse in California) is presenting me with options. There is the tourist visa, in which you can go to US visiting relatives and secretly apply in a hospital there and hope for a petition OR go the long and sure way, which is applying for immigrant visa.
hi! i have heard of people going to the states using a tourist visa to look for an employer and they end up working legally after a few months because they were able to obtain either a work permit or a working visa. these people i know of don't even have any work experience in the philippines but ended up finding jobs and working legally in the states.
i know someone who is in the states right now (tourist visa) and she was able to sign a contract with a hospital. however, the hospital's lawyer told her to come back here to the philippines because the congress is currently not issuing work permits until the end of the elections.
What was done in the past is definitely not the case now. It is no longer possible to adjust your status at this time. The US is under a retrogression and has been for almost two years. There was an open window of opportunity by accident last summer and there were more than 800,000 I-485 petitions submitted at that time. Using a simple calculation of the fact that only 140,000 green cards are issued per year and that makes things five years at a start. It also does not take into consideration all of those that are out of the country when they are applied under what we call Consular Processing.
And then add on that coming to the US with the idea of adjusting, just means that one thinks that they can take cuts in line in front of all of the others that are waiting, and this is not a good thing at all to even consider.
And your friend got bad advice since the US has been under a retrogression for almost two years and we essentially do not have wortking visas either for nurses. The H1-B visa actually is for what we call specialists and a new nurse to this country that does not have significant work experience is by far not a specialist. Having the BSN does not make one a specialist, they are still a new grad without any experience. The US is also currently reviewing all H1-B visas that are issued as well. H1-C visas are set to expire in 2010 and we do not see them being renewed.
And in case that you have not heard, the US economy is right now very bad; back to the time of the Great Depression in the early 1030s. Hospitals are having hiring freezes as well as lay-offs. If they cannot hire an American, they are surely not going to spend the money to bring over a foreign nurse during that time. They are also going to be hard pressed to be paying over $10,000 for a foreign nurse when not all Americann nurses are able to find jobs when they graduate here right now in all areas. With the visa that you are thinking about, the company also has to pay 100% of the expenses or it is an automatic denial as well. And that you are not going to see being done when there are no visas available. You are looking at five years plus for a chance at a visa.
This has nothing to do with elections either, but expect things to get even tighter; not easier. Do hope that she has a safe trip home. The hospital also needs to prove that they were unable to find an American to fill that position and that is just not going to happen right now as well. Does not matter what a facility will tell you, but they need to prove it to the US government as well with actual documentation.
Suzanne, it seems like you're (no disrespect to you) saying the same thing over and over each post. I don't understand how one just doesn't read the stickys that you've taken the time to post. IMO, I think they need to get rid of these so called tourist visas because to me they're being used and abused and people are using these to actually stay in the US and have no intention of going back home. They're also working under (not all are) the table and the other workers in these facilities don't even know it. It's a shame how so many people abuse these things that are being offered, and it makes it worse for the people who are waiting (patience is a virtue) patiently for their turn.
I do think it has to be repeated. I think some think we are making up about the economy being bad. It is repetitive but needs to be said.
Also how can the USA restrict a VISA? What if a person has a relative sick or dying are you going to deny them entry. Also tourism is a big business in the USA, if you close your boarders to one group, don't we have to close them to all boarders.
But what I am seeing is less patients in the hospital, less moving to skilled nursing facilities. Many people who need elective surgery are putting it off, leaving the very old and very sick being in the hospital. I only see this getting worse. Nurses did loss their positions in the great depression, if anyone thinks nurses are immune read history. Even in the 1980's nurse lost jobs. One reason why I keep going back to school and learn new skills.
:confused:Yo,wazzup. I am registered nurse, paassed the nclex last June 10,2008. and I am going to take my IELTS this Sept. 27, 2008. I have 1 year experience at the hospital.
I am confused and dont know what first step I will take. My aunt(which is a nurse in California) is presenting me with options. There is the tourist visa, in which you can go to US visiting relatives and secretly apply in a hospital there and hope for a petition OR go the long and sure way, which is applying for immigrant visa.
Can anybody give me some advice?
I think your secret will not be secretly anymore...Im not going to say go the "sure" way because nothing is sure about that way...just go the leagl way, you'll not regret it.
Hospitals are not so keen on hiring "legal" foreigners, moreso, hiring "tourist" with no papers to work here.
Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.
all healthcare employers are required to use this form to have documentation on record for each new hire along with govenment sanction clearance.... the employee signs form attesting to legitimacy of documents:
i am aware that federal law provides for imprisonment and/or fines for false statements or use of false documents in connection with the completion of this form.
when audited as part of state inspection and documents found missing, suspected forgery or an inactive nursing license found under current healthcare law, facility can not charge insurance companies for services provided for each patient on nursing unit staff may have provided cared; have to give back any monies already received and are penalized too!
so ethical employers will ensure all documents in order---too much time, hassle and $$$$$$$ otherwise ...including lose of facility license for fraud if more than one staff with employment eligibility issues.
I think your secret will not be secretly anymore...Im not going to say go the "sure" way because nothing is sure about that way...just go the leagl way, you'll not regret it.
Hospitals are not so keen on hiring "legal" foreigners, moreso, hiring "tourist" with no papers to work here.
You are so very correct. Immigration officials actually read the forums here and know exactly what is happening. So do the Boards of Nursing officials. One reason for the tighter requirements in terms of licensure and issuance of actual licenses. Just because of this.
You are so very correct. Immigration officials actually read the forums here and know exactly what is happening. So do the Boards of Nursing officials. One reason for the tighter requirements in terms of licensure and issuance of actual licenses. Just because of this.
Totally agree!! and Im really frustrated... these kind of thinking and practice that makes it more difficult to those people who has the cleanest of intention of getting a visa for the purpose of "visiting and just being a tourist".
Plus I would think twice about a place that will "illegally" employ nurses. What kind of patient care do they provide? If they can forget the one law they may forget many other standards of care.
I'm not singling a group out, and I'm not totally for closing the tourism in the US, but it should be restrict. Who says that a "tourist visa" is a right? It's not, it's a PRIVILEGE! You abuse that privilege and it should be taken away. I just don't think it's fair to the people who are trying to enter the country the right and legal way. Also, they're attempting to take jobs away from people who were educated here and who are 1. legal residents 2. US citizens, that can't even find a job because they're not hiring nurses. So even if they come here, most likely they wont find a job because even our US citizens are having problems finding jobs as nurses.
I totally agree that if someone has a family member who is dying should be allowed in the country to visit their dying family member. But do you see what I'm saying? There are people who are abusing the tourist visa and are intentionally using it for the wrong reasons and it needs to be stopped. Some of them are staying and have no intention of going back, so why should they have the privilege of the tourist visa? Immigration needs to monitor and check on ANY visa frequently to make sure that they're abiding by the conditions of the visa, and if they abuse it, and they're caught, 10 year ban or whatever it is.
I don't have a problem with foreign nurses coming over here and working, but, I think the jobs need to be given to our own people who 1. are qualified 2. are here legally first. Also, I'm finding that majority of the foreign educated nurses can't even chart properly. Their English is horrible, you can't understand them when they speak and their written skills are even worse. Not all are like this, because there are some very good nurses with a foreign education. That's one of the reasons why I believe that they need to make strict requirements for foreign grad nurses. Again, it's a privilege to work in this country as a foreign nurse, not a right.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
thanx for all the advices.. im a he by the way:-)
but i hear that things will get better when barak obama (hope i spelled that right) wins presidency?
I still doubt they will open the doors and let everyone in. At the moment there are a lot of hospitals suffering financially and they should employ own citizens first before foreign. We are already seeing posts where nurses are being laid off or nurses struggling to find work. If already in the US then even if things change after the elections it will not be straight away and your tourist visa will have expired and this could result in a ban if caught. Plus to adjust any status you need a valid visa
but i hear that things will get better when barak obama (hope i spelled that right) wins presidency?
Actually McCain has more a pro immigration policy, he was initally dished by his party for his pro immirgration stand.
Whoever gets elected in the US , there is a ecomonic mess, I would except an influx of Americans immigrating out, if you come to the US expect inflation and no jobs. Bottom line don't expect the USA to be your ticket out.
Both my kids studied abroad, they were not allowed to stay one day pass there visa expiration, my daughter's roommate asked for an extension ( this was Austraila) and she was escorted to the airport. I agree the USA should treat people who violate their Visa the same way, a quick escort to the airport. And PS, my kids were not allowed to work and had to verify that they had plenty of money.
suzanne4, RN
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What was done in the past is definitely not the case now. It is no longer possible to adjust your status at this time. The US is under a retrogression and has been for almost two years. There was an open window of opportunity by accident last summer and there were more than 800,000 I-485 petitions submitted at that time. Using a simple calculation of the fact that only 140,000 green cards are issued per year and that makes things five years at a start. It also does not take into consideration all of those that are out of the country when they are applied under what we call Consular Processing.
And then add on that coming to the US with the idea of adjusting, just means that one thinks that they can take cuts in line in front of all of the others that are waiting, and this is not a good thing at all to even consider.
And your friend got bad advice since the US has been under a retrogression for almost two years and we essentially do not have wortking visas either for nurses. The H1-B visa actually is for what we call specialists and a new nurse to this country that does not have significant work experience is by far not a specialist. Having the BSN does not make one a specialist, they are still a new grad without any experience. The US is also currently reviewing all H1-B visas that are issued as well. H1-C visas are set to expire in 2010 and we do not see them being renewed.
And in case that you have not heard, the US economy is right now very bad; back to the time of the Great Depression in the early 1030s. Hospitals are having hiring freezes as well as lay-offs. If they cannot hire an American, they are surely not going to spend the money to bring over a foreign nurse during that time. They are also going to be hard pressed to be paying over $10,000 for a foreign nurse when not all Americann nurses are able to find jobs when they graduate here right now in all areas. With the visa that you are thinking about, the company also has to pay 100% of the expenses or it is an automatic denial as well. And that you are not going to see being done when there are no visas available. You are looking at five years plus for a chance at a visa.
This has nothing to do with elections either, but expect things to get even tighter; not easier. Do hope that she has a safe trip home. The hospital also needs to prove that they were unable to find an American to fill that position and that is just not going to happen right now as well. Does not matter what a facility will tell you, but they need to prove it to the US government as well with actual documentation.