This is like going to war...

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okay, i have been reading posts today and i have to say o...m...g....!!! :igtsyt:

you can be mad at this post and say:

-i'm just a student

-wait til i'm in the trenches

-i just don't know what it's like

-etc., etc., etc.

but the negativity towards students and new nurses, or anyone who doesn't side with an experienced nurse is just outrageous! :eek:

nursing school is not going to be easy, this i know...but i keep reading where experienced nurses who are teaching new nurses are so mean and miserable. how they just feel that teaching is such a burden, student nurses are nothing but problems, and they don't bring anything to the table. oooooommmmgggg!!!

the judgment and generalizations towards different groups of people are just sad and disappointing. deal with each person, student, or new nurse individually. we all have faults, problems, and burdens..no one is an exception.:uhoh3:

i sincerely hope, that whoever i am put under to learn truly has the will and patience to teach someone else. i would hope and pray i get someone who really does want to teach and lead. :bowingpur

at times i have seen some more seasoned, patient, and positive responses, and i try to learn and absorb what i can from them, because some of you guys give very good advice and insight. on the other hand, i have also seen the opposite.:chair:

i knew nursing was hard but i didn't realize there was so much internal conflict among nurses. lord help us all! i'm going to see a therapist before my clinicals. :grn:

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Students--like any other members of AN--can visit any forum they choose, and they are welcomed to do so. They are also allowed to post in threads outside the student area. But it can be irritating to have posters who are still in school criticizing seasoned nurses based on a limited amount of knowledge and some assumptions that may or may not have any grounding in fact.

It would be one thing to post something like this in the student forums where it might draw some commiseration from peers. It's another altogether to post in in the General Nursing Forum where it can only appear judgmental.

Some students or newer nurses have sought a more positive outlook by asking the general membership what they like about nursing. Or they question (sincerely) why there seems to be so much negativity without adding a scolding tone.

These inquiries are usually met with a bit more grace and receptivity because they demonstrate maturity and a willingness to have a real conversation. But when students come in with guns blazing, all fired up to tell off the experienced nurses this can make for some awkward and heated exchanges.

Students should feel free to look around the board, visit AN and AN Central, check out the various specialty forums, and use the many resources available here. Free-range roaming can help with so many future decisions.

At the same time, it's a good idea to consider that seasoned nurses--especially those who have seen aspects of their jobs turn into a riptide--may not take kindly to being given a tongue-lashing by someone who is just getting their feet wet.

Beautifully stated, as always, Miranda. :yeah: You nailed it!!

I can't add anything except a reminder to all to PLEASE post as though you were speaking face-to-face to a group of your peers, or better yet, your supervisors. And students---please wait till you've walked in a nurse's shoes, and put in 12-hour shifts for a year or two before making generalizations about the way things 'ought' to be. Trust me, you WILL see things much differently then, even if you aren't hardened and cynical (and most of us are not, even after many years at the bedside). There simply is no way to know what it's REALLY like to be a nurse until you've been one for a while. :)

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To the OP, I just want to say thank you! I agree with you 100%.

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To the OP, I just want to say thank you! I agree with you 100%.

:smackingfThank you. I'm glad someone does. :)

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I chose that comparison and I'll stick with it. You choose to express yourself the way you want and I'll do the same. You have no idea of the trials I've experienced in life and vice-versa, but thanks for your suggestion.

I may not obviously have experience being a nurse, but I do have experience in being a "human being", and I don't need to "wait for my clinicals" to experience that. I just feel that people should try and treat others the way they would like to be treated and remember they were once in those very same shoes.

I am just voicing my opinion about something I feel strongly about and not taking anything "to heart", so maybe it's not that interesting anymore?

Believe...that I chew up and spit out what I don't need, and swallow what I do. I choose to learn as much as I can from this site, but it doesn't mean I can't speak my mind.

Thank you for your input.

You are certainly free to stick with your comparison and speak your mind and people who have been to both war and nursing school are free to point out the apparent absurdity of your statement. I think we understand one your concerns; however, if you really wanted to have meaningful and productive discussion on this forum, you could have presented your case differently.

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while these things happen and true; it does not speak of many nurses out there who wanted to teach and help out new nurses and nursing students as well. i think those who are mean and bossy are those who are not into teaching or mentoring. yes, some may have other issues like low esteem, incompetence, security, integrity, etc.

i think it is important that institutions should identify those nurses who are willing to teach and to be mentors. many nurses come from different backgrounds and programs. there are many nurses who have a high expectation of nursing students. it is important as well for students and new nurses to prepare well. read, read and read. study, study and study. be the best.

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while these things happen and true; it does not speak of many nurses out there who wanted to teach and help out new nurses and nursing students as well. i think those who are mean and bossy are those who are not into teaching or mentoring. yes, some may have other issues like low esteem, incompetence, security, integrity, etc.

i think it is important that institutions should identify those nurses who are willing to teach and to be mentors. many nurses come from different backgrounds and programs. there are many nurses who have a high expectation of nursing students. it is important as well for students and new nurses to prepare well. read, read and read. study, study and study. be the best.

I definitely agree.

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You are certainly free to stick with your comparison and speak your mind and people who have been to both war and nursing school are free to point out the apparent absurdity of your statement. I think we understand one your concerns; however, if you really wanted to have meaningful and productive discussion on this forum, you could have presented your case differently.

Okkkk already. You don’t like the comparison. It was just a figure of speech. There is nothing absurd about it. Your response, however, proves my point. You missed the whole reason of the post, because you are too busy nitpicking the title and trying to fling subtle insults around. Just stop already.

The whole point in the post was, “please don’t judge me, before you know me and give me a chance”. Now, that’s straight to the point since that seems to be the only way you can accept it. Yes, people have been to war and nursing school, but we have all been through challenging situations.

Once again, see I can do this without trying to insult you, my point is…please don’t judge me before you know me….get it?

You also could have presented your case differently, if you wanted me to be aware that, you are sensitive about “war” and “nursing school”. Because it seems like you are, I apologize if the title offended you. So, we both agree on presenting cases differently. That is a matter of opinion.

Now, I’m going to end this here and say good luck to you and enjoy the rest of your weekend. Oh and regardless I still respect what you do…we just happen to disagree.

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my point is…please don’t judge me before you know me….get it?

And, all the seasoned nurses are asking is, "don't judge us before you walk in our shoes". That is the point they are making here.

Since the OP is done with this thread, will close as don't think anymore can be said.

We wish the OP well in nursing school.

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