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i just read this article that down plays the work and hard study that rn's all put in to obtain a degree in college or a university. i feel insulted and plan to write them. :angryfire and a i am trying to "edit" to stay legal here, it is the fact that nursing is lumped into the mind set of a "lower skilled job" that precisely burns me up.

no college? not necessarily a problem

report points to 16 good fields for lower-skilled workers

by andrea coombes, marketwatch

last update: 7:36 pm et oct. 27, 2005

san francisco (marketwatch) -- the reigning assumption among many americans is that teenagers go directly from high school to college, but that's not the way life always works.

just 27% of americans over age 25 hold bachelor's degrees or higher, according to 2004 census data. see the census data.

the report details 16 jobs, all in growing industries, that pay more than $25,000 a year, are available to workers holding an associate's degree or less, and don't require a significant amount of previous work experience.

those occupations include nursing, carpentry, bookkeeping, plumbers and electricians. (see full list below.)

"there's no question that the payoff for a college degree is highly valuable and getting more valuable every year, [but] there are major occupations with large numbers of jobs going wanting that pay reasonably good wages, and are within reach of working adults that don't yet have postsecondary education," rubin said.

some barriers to entry

but just because you don't necessarily need a college degree doesn't mean entry into these jobs is easy.

for instance, "registered nurse" tops the list of 16 jobs because it has the greatest number of projected annual job openings, but that job poses barriers for some lower-skilled entrants, including training programs that tend to be highly competitive and full-time.

"registered nurse is certainly an excellent paying occupation and an occupation where there are tremendous shortages," rubin said. but, he added, entry to the field usually requires at least three years of full-time study and "very, very strong math and science skills."

an alternative is to become a licensed practical nurse, another job on the list. certification is often available through part-time training programs, making that occupation a more manageable entry point into the nursing field for those needing to support themselves and a family.

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I will be attending med school in the fall 06 (ie my moniker). Do nurses have any idea what true professionals (ie MD, JD, PharmD, MBA, DDS, DVM,PhD) have endured to earn the salaries and respect afforded to them by society? Does anyone notice any similarities within the list? ALL hold advanced degrees. If nurses want more respect they must minimally have a BSN for entry to practice. Nursing will never be a 'profession' until a BSN (among many other things) is the minimum requirement for practice. Also, the nature of the work is blue collar. Which of the above professions wipes a**, fluffs pillows, orders trays, serves beverages, etc. NONE! Nurses should organize and unionize in order to demand that less skilled staff be responsible for these things. Come on guys do you all really know what professionals think of nursing? My former pre med classmates said the most derrogatory and demeaning things about nurses. Another RN who is already in the med school I will be attending next fall strongly urged me not to divulge my former occupation because my well educated upper class classmates will view me 'a dumb nurse' and my professors and attending/resident physicians will have less respect for me.

When will nursing become a true profession that one can be proud of?

Why be ashamed of being a nurse? Are you telling me every MD is a genius? Some of them do not have since enough to wash their hands inbetween patient care. But if nurses such as yourself do not speak out, for nurses maybe the problem lies in your own insecurity about who you are.

I don't need a title to tell me I am great, and if money is all you are after i pity your patients. And as for as upper educated, please...you know better than that.

Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.

In the first place, you were the one that suggested in another post that nurses should be happy to top out at $80 or $85K a year, which to me was an odd thing to say. Lots of hospital nurses that I know earn more than that. Lots of them earn much less, too, so I hope this won't turn into a tit for tat about how little some of us are paid. Granted, I live in a metropolitan area and unions prevail here, but I am sure there are other nurses out there earning more than what you've listed as a max. And you're still making blanket statements. "Doctors don't encourage their daughters to go into nursing?" Off the top of my head, I can think of 6 nurses I know whose fathers are doctors. And one of them is, gasp, a MALE! And as far being invited to doctor's gatherings, you know what? That's kind of what makes it a doctor's gathering, isn't it? We don't invite them to our's! It doesn't mean that we don't consider them well educated (although, sometimes one is led to wonder...) We're not invited to the social workers' gatherings, either, but I never felt like they don't respect me. You say you didn't make the rules, but frankly, it sounds to me like you're making them up as you go along, or painting them with a mighty broad brush.

Specializes in Case Mgmt; Mat/Child, Critical Care.
Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.

RN2MD, Whatever valid points you may have are lost on your obvious abhorrence and disrespect for the PROFESSION of nursing. Yes, that's right, the PROFESSION of nursing. My only real feeling here, after reading your posts, is pity for your patients, now and in whatever future place you may hold in healthcare. People w/your attitude have no business in healthcare, at all...:uhoh21:

Mercy,

How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different from many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

RN2MD, do what you have to be "happy". The rest of us will, too. I am so sorry being a nurse is "inadequate" for you....for some of us, it's more than a career; it's a ministry and we are very content right where we are. But do NOT cut down others' choices as inadequate or unprofessional on your way. You will find few who care to hear it, or standing behind you. As an MD, for you, it will STILL take a damn good nurse to back you up. Bet on it. Do NOT alienate those who would back you up, or you will regret it.

Good luck in medical school. I hope your medical career is all you hope for.

Specializes in Case Mgmt; Mat/Child, Critical Care.

Excellent post, Deb!

Mercy,

How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different form many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

Are you wanting to be judged for your merits or your family members? I have family members who are MD's, JD's, engineers etc., I have a BS in Psychology and eventhough I did not pursue an advance degree in my major my family is still very proud of me. I work in research and I fell my work is professional as well as highly respected by my peers,( which include MD's )I just cant believe that someone would come down on a whole profession of people. A profession by the way which you will find very important in the line of work you are currently pursuing. Maybe you were not well suited for nursing and are perhaps a little bitter? I am currently working on pursing an advanced degree that will take me out of nursing as well...but I feel I will always be a nurse. I have learned so much during my career, and am grateful for the opportunity that I have had. Maybe you should look upon your experiences in that way (good or bad). And you wont be so bitter about nursing. You just seem sooooo angry. By the way why are you on a nursing forum?

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
Mercy,

How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different from many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

Well, RN2MD, once again you make erroneous assumptions. (A trait you might want to lose if you wish to be successful in your medical career, by the way). I have a great many professional friends. Since I work in a professional field, it is only natural that I would have many professional associates. As it happens, I'm not involved with patient care. I understand that there is no reason for you to have known that; yet you seem to assume it with your questions about my education. I admit I "only" have a BSN, but it is from an excellent school that prepared me well to take my career anywhere I would like it to go, and I've done that. My sister is an attorney for the state of PA, my brother is head of tech support at a spin off of a Big 8 accounting firm, and my other sister is a regional manager for a national restaurant chain. And yes, I was raised in a working class household. My parents had this cuckoo notion that if they worked hard and lived an honest life, maybe their children could break into the "elite" world of the college educated. Must be horrible for my colleagues from professional families to have share restroom facilities with such riff raff, huh? oh yeah, editing to add, I know plenty of pharmacists, physicians and attorneys that are single mothers (and fathers, too) Not sure what that has to do with anything, but it obviously is an indicator of some sort for you, since you mentioned nurses who are single mothers, as though such a demographic is limited to the "underclass"..... :uhoh3:

Specializes in home & public health, med-surg, hospice.
Mercy,

How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different from many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

RN2MD,

Your view of others (working class) as being beneath you and not due the same extension of respect you would bestow upon "educated professionals" is pure and simple, rank classism.

It is very hard for me not to personally insult you.

However, I would like to personally thank you for exiting the nursing profession. It's a worthy contribution. :)

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Mercy,

How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different from many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

That post just REEKS of superiority, and what i'm NOT getting is why this person insists on coming here to put down (YES, put down) this profession if we're all, and this profession, is just that frickin' bad (hey i said the P word :stone ).

My friends come from various backgrounds, various careers. I'm friends with them because of WHO they are, not WHAT they do. If i were to consider friends based soley on WHAT they do, i'd miss out on a hell of a lot of great people in the process, not to mention i'd be such a snob. No thanks. Life is too short to weed out people because of their profession. Not to mention it's pretty superficial. Heck, why not just pick friends based on their looks as well? :rolleyes:

(An MD gathering? We have these wacky things called "parties" where *GASP* everyone is invited and has a great time! Imagine that! )

As my sig line says 'A degree is not the same thing as an education' .

I didnt' mean to insult anyone, I was just making a point and referenced personal experiences. :kiss

Didn't mean to bring up the ASN vs BSN which is a taboo on this site, but at the same time, I want to proud of the fact that I went the longer route. I don't think anyone should make me feel bad about that or ashamed for not opting for the Associates Degree..

I LOVE EVERYONE! Don't flame me ;)

Edit: Also, I wanted to add.. I didn't say I'll never be paid what I am worth because I will have a BSN. I say that based on work ethic...

I wouldn't flame you. I don't get a chance to check these threads very often, so I just read your reply. I just wanted to post back to you and let you know that no offense was taken. Good luck to you!

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