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Thinking of being a circulator?...(especially for new RN grads)...consider carefully. If you will only circulate, and you will be working in an OR with surgical technicians, or scrubs, who do not have a nursing background, then you may find yourself answering to, not supervising, surgical technicians, who may harbor resentments towards you being "the nurse".
In these OR settings, there is often a hierarchy: surgeon, anesthesia (often the CRNA, who is the advance practice nurse, and who knows far more about the patient's vital signs than the RN circulator), then comes the surgical technician, or scrub, and at the bottom of this hierarchy, the RN circulator.
In such OR settings, when the surgeon asks, "How is the patient doing?" The surgeon wants anesthesia (CRNA) to provide the information, not the RN circulator, who could possibly not have a clue, especially if said circulator had to leave the room for an instrument, said scrub forgot to pull prior to the surgery.
If the patient needs meds, such as for blood pressure, heart rate, etc., the CRNA is the advance practice nurse, and will be administering such drugs. Basically, they are the primary nurse in the room. As a circulator, you will be the secondary nurse. You will be charting, helping position the patient, going get stuff from outside the OR (which was forgotten, or is unexpectedly needed), checking the paperwork (consents, H&P, etc.), and setting up the OR with the scrubs.
When the surgeon, CRNA, or scrub politely asks (or yells), "I need...!" It's your job to fulfill their needs...not the other way around.
In such OR settings, don't think, "I'm the RN! I'm in charge of this operating room." No. You are not in charge of the operating room. The surgeon is the captain of that ship, or operating room. Then comes anesthesia (usually CRNA). Then the scrub, who is working with the surgeon, and anticipating, or relating the needs of the surgeon. Then comes you...the RN.
So why have a RN in the operating room? Because some states mandate their be a RN in the operating room, as a circulator, who may assist (often assisting the CRNA, when the patient crashes) during emergencies. But, laws are not written in stone. Could these state mandates change? Sure. In Australia, the nurse (RN) works in the position as a scrub, and the surgical technician works as the circulator.
So do operating rooms need registered nurses (barring state mandates)? In my humble opinion, No. Registered nurses are not needed in the operating room. Surgical technicians can easily perform the duties done by a circulator. They do it in Australia. Just a matter of time, probably, until RNs are phased out of the OR.
So, thinking of being a circulator? Consider what career growth and potential you may have. Want to be a RNFA? Your gonna have to learn suturing and instrumentation...scrub work...that's their area of expertise. They don't teach such things in nursing school. Want to be a surgical nurse practitioner? Helps to have scrub experience...otherwise you are in the same position of not knowing the basic suturing and instrumentation. See the trend? Career advancement in the operating room is rooted in knowing how to scrub if you're a RN. Even if you want to be the OR manager. Never scrubbed? Then let's see how much respect you will have among your subordinates.
Sure there are all RN ORs, in which even the scrubs are nurses. But scrubbing is the badge of honor.
Still thinking of being a circulator? Good luck.
The RN does not and never has supervised the scrub. Yes, there are a few scrubs out there who may resent you for being the nurse but, the majority of the scrubs I've worked with aren't like that. There are also nurses out there who think they are better than scrubs because they are "the nurse".You also need to realize that a scrub tech with years of experience is more knowledgable about things in the OR than the brand new nurse. My manager actually puts new nurses just off orientation with the strongest scrubs so that the scrubs can help them and answer question.
The OR is all about teamwork. If you are that miserable at your job, maybe you should start looking for another job.
Sorry, disagree... just one instance that comes to mind is : counts. The counts , as an RN are legally all on ME, and I absolutely have authority over the scrub tech regarding counts
Maybe things are different state to state... im sure they are! im sure tense situations occur like certain positions needing or wanting that certain amount of power.. but in my state.. techs (scrubs) have to have a license not just a cert... degree and all! so i think things are different depending where you are on the map!
I've been a circulation for a short time. I'm with the crowd that believes anyone can do the setting up and fetching that we do but it takes nurse education when it comes to safety. There are several drugs and materials used in the O.R. that can cause grave danger when it comes to allergies and risk factors. We know about cross reactions and drugs classes, preventing pressure and positioning injury to skin and nerves. We understand physiological risk factors for infection, hypothermia, fluid overload, blood clots, blood loss, and adverse drug reactions. We are trained in sterile technique and microbiology in nursing school so we understand how some disinfectants don't work on certain pathogens, how germs spread, and how to reduce infection risk. We monitor air flow, temperature, and cleanliness of the O.R. We serve as an extra set of eyes watching for sterile field contamination while others are focused on the surgery itself or monitoring the patient's vitals. We are also trained in the safe use of hazardous substances such as formaldehyde and chlorhexadine. The main focus of nursing school training is safety. Our most important task as a circulator is to carry that level of hypervigilance into the O.R. maintaining the safety of our patient and the O.R. team.
I totally agree. As a student, I took every opportunity to get into the OR for observation because I really considered going into the OR after graduation. However, I was disappointed to see how little the RN does in the OR. It seemed more like an admin assistant job actually. Just note taking and running for supplies. I realized that the surgical tech job is what I had envisioned as the RNs role. I'm glad I was able to observe a lot before taking an OR job. That said, it did seem like a low stress, fun job. I liked the team aspect.
I totally agree. As a student, I took every opportunity to get into the OR for observation because I really considered going into the OR after graduation. However, I was disappointed to see how little the RN does in the OR. It seemed more like an admin assistant job actually. Just note taking and running for supplies. I realized that the surgical tech job is what I had envisioned as the RNs role. I'm glad I was able to observe a lot before taking an OR job. That said, it did seem like a low stress, fun job. I liked the team aspect.
As a student, you didn't know what you didn't know. Just note taking and running for supplies? Low stress? Fun? Ha! Not even close. Are there moments that are low stress and fun? Sure, if you've got a good team and everything is going according to plan.
As a student, you didn't know what you didn't know. Just note taking and running for supplies? Low stress? Fun? Ha! Not even close. Are there moments that are low stress and fun? Sure, if you've got a good team and everything is going according to plan.
Perhaps. But the original poster does know and described it pretty much like I did.
There is something to say for OR Dudes honesty. I've been away from the OR for several years (lived out of the country). There is a certain realism to his point. As long as you're entering the field with your eyes open, and appreciate it for what it is, the OR is a good specialty. I look forward to getting back to it.
I admittedly skimmed through these posts but as a surgical tech (pursing nursing and regretting just not going for the RN in the first place) I personally feel there should only be RNs in the OR lol. I know I should* defend the profession but techs are grossly underpaid for all we do and the knowledge involved, and I feel that the newer nurses I work with are even farther from understanding anything at the field. I often have to remind surgeons that something they want me to do is out of scope for techs- but they have a closer relationship to me as the scrub so they ask. If everyone was licensed and the scrub and circulator were interchangeable, I feel there would be a more cohesive team. The circulator wouldn't move slow as molasses to get something after some snarky comment to the scrub bc they would have also been on the other side of that- when the case wasn't actually booked correctly or the doc decided to do something different once they were 'in there'. And I'm sure there are techs that could care less about having to make their nurse run all case. While I understand we all have days that are without many breaks etc- as a tech, I don't get ANY break when I'm scrubbed in except for lunch- regardless of standing for a 10 hr case. Often I just hear there's more nurses to give breaks- but it would be so nice if everyone could break either role- and after a day of the 10 hour case you got to circulate the following day which at least gets some sit down time! I may obv feel differently once I'm a nurse but this is just be two cents from the tech side. Bottom line- the OR is a unique environment and def not for everybody.
Becoming an OR nurse (circulator, anyway) DOES have to be considered carefully. It's not easy and after orientation is over, you either love it or you hate it. I know how the OP feels; in my career there have been a handful of scrubs that gave me crap (I was a new grad BSN). But overall everyone was allright. Docs in private hospitals are a bit on the more entitled side than docs who work in teaching facilities or public or charity hospitals. I don't recall any nurses giving me crap. I don't ever recall an RN who was scrubbing refusing to count when I wanted to count (as if counting is difficult) (just an example), but plenty of techs have griped when I want to count and they don't feel that we need to. Not ONE RN who was scrubbing has ever even batted an eye about counting whatever the other one wants to count. Anyway... I've just been the type of person that can eventually get along with most people and I cut techs some slack with their chips on their shoulders; it's almost always a matter of them seeing that I know what I'm doing, I am a team player, I'm not out to get anyone, etc. PS I have also seen firsthand that OR RNs are better nurses with their educations under their belts (whether they started in the OR or started as floor nurses), when that knowledge is needed, and are needed for more than just being a go-fer. Disease processes, for one thing... Anyway, I hear you, OP. :)
SandraFenway
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OR nurses may do all the things you say. It depends on where you work and your commitment level. There's no deeper assessment of the patient than putting your hands inside. Think about it.