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Just wanted to let it out in a safe place. My dad has been in the MICU for over a week with a GI bleed and septicemia...also on the liver transplant list. He grew out MRSA in his sputum, ascites, liver abscess, and blood. Basically overwhelming sepsis. They decided to aspirate a cyst on his liver and also placed a drain. He was considered a border and was possibly going to be transferred to the floor, but the next day he was really agitated and thanked his nurse for the care he got and everything they did for him...she was like "Where ya goin'? and decided to change his assignment to an ICU nurse instead of an acute care float. This was Thursday. He basically respiratory arrested and was intubated later that night. Huge hospital-acquired bilteral pneumonias (believed to be partly aspiration), bilateral pleural effusions, and the intensivist believes they may have somehow created a fistula during the liver aspiration procedure he had done. Has been on Levo which they were able to back off from, but his O2 requirements are increasing. They had him down to 60% FiO2 but 10 of PEEP. Decompensated during the night and is up to 80% FiO2 and 12.5 of PEEP, and has been retaining serious fluid since Friday...he's positive over 5 liters and third spacing like crazy....less than 10 ml/hour for urine output...they called me today to consent for an IJ catheter for Prisma CRRT.

I am his healthcare proxy because my mom feels like she can't make an informed decision and doesn't understand what they tell her, even when it's in layman's terms. She's very overwhelmed, and I feel very inadequate making life and death decisions for my dad. I talked to his nurse today and I asked her to be honest as far as the CRRT and whether she thought it was futile, and she said in her opinion she didn't believe it would make much of a difference for him but that she has seen patients sicker than him recover with a transplant. She also said that he won't recover without a transplant, but he's ineligible for it right now because of the sepsis. Has to be off antibiotics for a week to be put back on. His blood cultures from 6/1 came back negative but his pneumonias are worse, they did a bronchoscopy and aspirated huge amounts of purulent secretions. My dad was a DNR prior to getting on the transplant list because he didn't want to live like this. The nurse said they will want to trach him in the next few days, but I absolutely know he wouldn't want that, and I don't want keep holding out for him for that 1% miracle chance. He watched his father die the exact same way from a medical error and it went on for almost a year before his blood pressure just wouldn't sustain even on max amounts of pressors. My dad has made it clear he doesn't want us to do that to him, but I also don't want to be too hasty since it's only been a few days. His nurse was very honest and said she doesn't know if he'll get off the vent at all without the transplant, definitely not soon or before getting a trach, and that he has very little hope unless the sepsis clears and he gets to the top of the list quickly. I just feel like I'm walking such a thin line. I don't want to be responsible for giving up on him too soon, but I know too much from a medical perspective to believe that his overwhelming sepsis is going to clear and he'll magically start improving, especially when he's on triple antibiotics and not responding to 2 grams of vanco BID. When do you say when? I just can't believe this is happening to him. I don't know what's heavier, my head or my heart.

Specializes in Pediatrics, ER.

It's just so hard. I'm the only one who really knows my dad is going to die. I don't want to be responsible for telling my mom, whenever I gently break something to her she just falls apart. I'm not good with emotion, I never have been. I don't do crying and turmoil very well when it comes to my own family or own life. I just talked to my sister, who is younger and a little out of touch with reality, and every time I tell her something that isn't good that indicates he's really sick I feel like I'm a murderer in her eyes. She will fight off everything I tell her about his condition with an "it's okay" or "yeah but we haven't even given him a chance" or "it's only been a couple of days." The night I got called home to go to the hospital with my mom, my sister was freaking out that she wanted to come because she "was the only one who wanted to save him" and would fight for him if we wanted to make him a DNR. Her sense of denial is incredible, and always has been. I just almost wish the decision would be taken out of my hands one way or the other. I want to honor my father but I don't want to be a monster in the eyes of my family.

Sarahbeth, I will pray for you. I lost my mom last year to a LONG battle with breast cancer. It was sooooo hard to see it consume her after over a decade of fighting it with a vengeance. There comes a time when the battle cannot be fought any more and peace and comfort are on the horizon. Do what you know is right, listen to your heart, and look to God for comfort during this difficult time.

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

It is true that you have been put in a bad position. I truly feel for you. I went through this with my grandmother. Iwas DPOA and had to "pull the plug". My mother was greatful that someone else took charge.

I'm not sure my brother ever forgave me. He truly thought she would live forever.

I knew I did the right thing. And when I pulled the plug so to speak I wasn't killing anyone. All of us are terminal. Some just get luckier than others. My aunt went out to lunch with friends, came in to the house, said I don't feel too well and died. What a great way to go.

We will keep praying for you and supporting you any way we can

I want to honor my father but I don't want to be a monster in the eyes of my family.

i sooo understand.

my sisters, brother acted 'funny' around me for awhile after mom died.

they really wanted to pursue any/all txs, but i was insistent.

but-

you are so young, sarah, to be burdened w/this.

i was twice your age when i made my decision.

you don't have to make any decisions tonight.

why not give your family, simple-to-read printouts on sepsis, transplants.

let them read how critical these pts are.

find a doctor who understands and supports your decision.

maybe he/she will talk to your family.

and that's another thing.

it ticks me off to no end, that doctors push and push and push, until all choices have been exhausted.

folks that are critically sick, too often die w/o "comfort" ever being a thought.

and these naive families, cling onto every sacred word the doctors speak.

your family needs to see that you know what you're talking about...

which they will somewhat understand, once/if they read what you've given them.

it's a horrible, horrible place for you to be in.

but again, please, listen to your heart.

you can do anything you put your mind to, when done w/love.

gentle hugs....

leslie

Specializes in ICU.

Maybe your sister wouldn't be ready for it or accepting of it, but perhaps you could meet as a family with the hospital's Ethics Committee? It might help provide some perspective for your mom and sister, simply to explore the issues and how they feel about the issues. The Committee might be able to help you advocate for what your dad would want for himself.

I found the Ethics Committee at my hospital very helpful recently when I had a pt of mine in a situation very similar to your dad's. While the Committee was never in full agreement, and some of the Dr's were not happy with the outcome, the issues in the case were fully explored. I know the POA was confident at the end that she was making the best choice she could for her family member.

Hang in there.

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

SarahBeth bless you young lady. Right now you need to place your Dad right in your heart and ask him. I sat by my father for 25 days in your dad's condition. I talked to him though he was comatose. And though he couldn't talk I could hear him in my heart. Together "we" decided what needed to be done.

You, your mom and family and your Daddy are in my prayers right now. I still "talk" to mine.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Home Health.

HUGS to you dear. I cant even imagine what you are going through. You truely have to follow your heart and your mind. It will be hard no matter what you decide. The main thing to consider too is your dad's comfort. You and your family are in my prayers.

Specializes in Pediatrics, ER.

I just wanted to update that my father passed away peacefully on Tuesday with his family at his side. It is such a relief to know that he can now do all of the things his body held him from here on earth. I'm happy for him, but sad for us. He was -and is- loved by so many.

Specializes in Utilization Management.

Please accept my deepest condolences on the loss of your Dad, sarabeth. (((hugs)))

Sarahbeth, giving you some more strength, and also hope for peace of mind and spirit. :heartbeat

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

What strength and courage in so young a Nurse. Your Dad is free now. No more pain. My Daddy's been There since 1982, and Mama joined him this past December. Mama loved to dance and could sing a beautiful soprano right on key.....Daddy tried.......

Now your dad has all his friends and family he has been missing, and as my Faith says 1 day with the Lord is as 10000 years on earth. So it's only a matter of seconds that he has to wait to see you once again. You have my deepest condolences.

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