I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
Quote
“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Thank you. It's looks like for sure my area is going to be affected.
I think the left and mainstream media is guilty of some hyperbole and you have to sift through that.
I don't think he's running things but clearly is having an influence and the republicans that are actually running things aren't doing anything about it because his base can sway things. Look at what happened to Cheney. The people in Wisconsin are behind Trump and he's not even running for anything but say anything against him and you're out.
My dream is we get through this period and he doesn't run for President again.
No, you misunderstood, maybe my fault. I'm not convinced Biden is running things.
No, you misunderstood, maybe my fault. I'm not convinced Biden is running things.
Yeah went over my head, I had it in my head we were talking about "the Republican base is Trump's base" and that he's leading the party.
I know you think Biden is mentally declining so it's understandable that you think he isn't running things. But at least it's not his children or their spouses. LOL
This is an opinion piece and it's the Daily Beast, so it's over the top.
Quote
The ex-president and his MAGA militias have made good on their promises to “fight like hell” before. You’d be a fool to believe they won’t do it again.
Yeah went over my head, I had it in my head we were talking about "the Republican base is Trump's base" and that he's leading the party.
I know you think Biden is mentally declining so it's understandable that you think he isn't running things. But at least it's not his children or their spouses. LOL
This is an opinion piece and it's the Daily Beast, so it's over the top.
Over the top, indeed. I don't even know where to start. But, I will say:
Most of the political discussion I'm exposed to is in the form of talk radio. Parts of a few different shows, maybe 5 to 10 hours a week.
All of the hosts I've heard at one time or another saying Trump did not win the election. Occasionally, I've heard a caller will claim it was a fraud and that Trump really won.
There are things that shouldn't have happened in 2020 regarding the election, such as PA Supreme Court taking it upon themselves to change election law. But, a vast majority of us realize there isn't proof that those things changed the outcome.
But, a vast majority of us realize there isn't proof that those things changed the outcome.
I've always understood that which is why I remained hopeful that democracy would prevail (and I still am) that this "vast majority" would squash Trump and his followers. But instead you have people Republican politicians parading him on stage and claiming he's the legit President, seeking his endorsement, and fueling his base, and some of them are winning. I understand it's a fringe, but it seems to be significant while the vast majority remain a deafening silence (other than talk radio perhaps).
I also understand it was a small number of the thousands that stormed the capital. But why was there even a rally in the first place when he legally lost, and congressperson Hawley raised his fist in solidarity, if the "vast majority accepted it".
I understand the "vast majority" has no control over a fringe.
Rhetorical questions, don't answer.
This is small crowd but really why are there even rallies in the first place? I don't underestimate the significance of Trump, his followers and conspiracy theorists at this point.
Even though the "vast majority" believe he lost in 2020, my guess is that they will vote for him again and try and get him back.
He stomped and is stomping all over Democracy (perhaps not illegally) and to me that's unforgivable. Oh well, broken record I guess.
This is small crowd but really why are there even rallies in the first place? I don't underestimate the significance of Trump, his followers and conspiracy theorists at this point.
Even though the "vast majority" believe he lost in 2020, my guess is that they will vote for him again and try and get him back.
I tend to agree with you. I've said it's time to move on from him, and I don't totally get it either.
If he somehow ends up being the candidate, I'm not sure what I'd do. Of course, that's still a ways a way, who knows what will happen. And, we have no idea who the Democrat candidate will be.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
58 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I've always understood that which is why I remained hopeful that democracy would prevail (and I still am) that this "vast majority" would squash Trump and his followers. But instead you have people Republican politicians parading him on stage and claiming he's the legit President, seeking his endorsement, and fueling his base, and some of them are winning. I understand it's a fringe, but it seems to be significant while the vast majority remain a deafening silence (other than talk radio perhaps).
I also understand it was a small number of the thousands that stormed the capital. But why was there even a rally in the first place when he legally lost, and congressperson Hawley raised his fist in solidarity, if the "vast majority accepted it".
I understand the "vast majority" has no control over a fringe.
Rhetorical questions, don't answer.
This is small crowd but really why are there even rallies in the first place? I don't underestimate the significance of Trump, his followers and conspiracy theorists at this point.
Even though the "vast majority" believe he lost in 2020, my guess is that they will vote for him again and try and get him back.
He stomped and is stomping all over Democracy (perhaps not illegally) and to me that's unforgivable. Oh well, broken record I guess.
The broken record is important because, clearly, millions of Americans are willing to ignore law breaking, abuse of power or unconstitutional plots as long as they feel like their side is winning. We see evidence of that in these threads with callous disregard for abusive treatment of refugees for political theater accepted and forwarded as as reasonable action. American conservatives are following the same pathway of value equivocation that we saw early in 20th century Europe. They will follow the despots who identify the enemies within the society for them to fight against...a consolidation of grievances. This is the Mussolini model that was successfully recreated later in Germany. Now Trump is consolidating grievances of American conservatives with the intent of regaining lost political power.
This is our moment to meet and defeat this unconstitutional agenda head on. Broken record warnings are part of the push back.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
19 minutes ago, Beerman said:
I tend to agree with you. I've said it's time to move on from him, and I don't totally get it either.
If he somehow ends up being the candidate, I'm not sure what I'd do. Of course, that's still a ways a way, who knows what will happen. And, we have no idea who the Democrat candidate will be.
That's not really true. Everyone has some idea that the democratic candidate for the presidency will be Biden. It's only guessing to suggest it will be Harris or some other liberal.
Precedent and tradition gives everyone the idea that the incumbent president will run for a second term.
That's not really true. Everyone has some idea that the democratic candidate for the presidency will be Biden. It's only guessing to suggest it will be Harris or some other liberal.
Precedent and tradition gives everyone the idea that the incumbent president will run for a second term.
Biden, like Trump and everyone else has only hinted, but not announced. So really we don't know. Given the ego of presidents and the historic president they always run it's likely he will. Still he might decide to retire and pass the baton, especially given the idea that many democrats want him to step aside.
Problem is not many people like Harris. The Hill has even speculated that AOC might run. Fox News and conservative media would have fun with that one. I think her and Buttigieg will be prominent players in the future. We'll see. Buttigieg is interesting. He had to know he couldn't win the presidency when he ran before and now he's a household name and held in high regard for his character.
" A new book reveals that House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., was at odds with how House Select Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's handling of impeachment proceedings against former President Trump, insisting that the methods used by the prominent Democrats were "unconstitutional" and could be used to attack the party."
" A new book reveals that House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., was at odds with how House Select Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's handling of impeachment proceedings against former President Trump, insisting that the methods used by the prominent Democrats were "unconstitutional" and could be used to attack the party."
I read that and was going to post it myself. The behind the scenes actions of lawmakers is indeed interesting stuff. That Fox thinks this is the most important lead story of the moment is interesting as well. But that's okay, Yahoo.com's lead news story is McConnells praise of Sinema. CNN, NPR, ABC and CBS are covering the hurricane. Must be a slow news day.
It's interesting they were concerned about Trump defending himself, as they should have been. Trump blew it all off as a witch hunt and that was his defense. To convince people that he was a victim was his defense.
I read that and was going to post it myself. The behind the scenes actions of lawmakers is indeed interesting stuff. That Fox thinks this is the most important lead story of the moment is interesting as well. But that's okay, Yahoo.com's lead news story is McConnells praise of Sinema. CNN, NPR, ABC and CBS are covering the hurricane. Must be a slow news day.
It's interesting they were concerned about Trump defending himself, as they should have been. Trump blew it all off as a witch hunt and that was his defense. To convince people that he was a victim was his defense.
Trump's defense was that he believed he was innocent.
Sounds like the book is going to back up his claim that it was a witchunt.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
16 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Trump's defense was that he believed he was innocent.
Sounds like the book is going to back up his claim that it was a witchunt.
Trump called the impeachment a witch hunt. We all read the transcript of the call which detailed Trump's delay of military aid to Ukraine while he asked for a personal political favor in exchange for its release. That was inappropriate and an abuse of power that justified the impeachment. That impeachment can't be undone by a book but the book can convince more conservatives that Trump is a victim rather than a corrupt and dangerous despot.
Beerman, BSN
4,415 Posts
No, you misunderstood, maybe my fault. I'm not convinced Biden is running things.