The Story of Jahi Continues

OrganizedChaos, LVN · Feb 16, 2015

And if the reports are accurate he would have been declared in a coma, not brain dead, and as a child the family would've been given hope for recovery in a pediatric rehab setting. Instead of fearing the unrealistic potential outcome and developing a gross mistrust for the medical and healthcare professionals. Shame on Byrne for preying on a distressed vulnerable family! And he totes ethics as one of his specialties? I think this proves otherwise!

He is a very sick, sick man. I feel bad for that family. There is no reason he needs to be all the way in New Jersey, especially with the weather they are getting. But at least he has a chance of recovery, unlike Jahi.

Tenebrae, BSN, RN · Feb 16, 2015

Is she not being ventilated or does she have a trachy?

OrganizedChaos, LVN · Feb 16, 2015

Is she not being ventilated or does she have a trachy?

From this picture here jahi-mcmath-bed.jpg?w=630 it looks like she it ventilated.

JustBeachyNurse, LPN · Feb 16, 2015

Is she not being ventilated or does she have a trachy?

Whole brain failure = no respiratory center. Brainstem absent on recent mri scans. She is fully vent dependent (AC) since December 2013 with no spontaneous respiratory effort whatsoever. She has a tracheostomy for over a year and a GT (all feeds are enteral via GT). Her heart only beats because of artificial respiratory effort.

Sun0408, ASN, RN · Feb 16, 2015

She has a Trach but still requires vent support.

Red Kryptonite · Feb 16, 2015

Once I saw Byrne attach himself to the family I knew it was all over for them if the boy was declared brain dead or not.
It's just a shame, the family should've been left alone to make their own decisions for their child.

Thank you for this post, where an INDIVIDUAL is identified as the problem. Can you all please stop using "pro lifers" as a pejorative and lumping all people who believe in protecting human life from conception until natural death into a group that includes wackos who don't accept the idea of brain death? We are not one and the same.

The vast majority of pro lifers understand that brain death is natural death, and accept that as the end of human life. The people who refuse to accept it are the same strain of anti-science crackpots who preach a young earth and against vaccines.

Tenebrae, BSN, RN · Feb 17, 2015

Thanks for the clarification.... Saw a few photos on facebook that didn't show obvious route of ventilation. I guess another attempt by the family to make this lassie appear not quite so 'dead'

Gooselady, BSN, RN · Feb 17, 2015

Thank you for this post, where an INDIVIDUAL is identified as the problem. Can you all please stop using "pro lifers" as a pejorative and lumping all people who believe in protecting human life from conception until natural death into a group that includes wackos who don't accept the idea of brain death? We are not one and the same.
The vast majority of pro lifers understand that brain death is natural death, and accept that as the end of human life. The people who refuse to accept it are the same strain of anti-science crackpots who preach a young earth and against vaccines.

That is relieving information to know (your last paragraph) and it seems evident in my personal life that this is so. This 'lumping together' reminds me of how we tend to lump all Muslims together, or all Jews or math teachers together according to a 'lowest common denominator'. I suppose it makes it 'easier' to disprove any point they are trying to make.

In that case, 'pro lifers', like many Muslims, need to speak out publicly about moderation TO the extremists within their own ranks. Like you just did. Not everyone is sure all pro lifers are NOT extremists, as we don't often hear moderating voices. We hear "stop lumping us all together" but not much at all about what measures are being taken within the pro life movement to bring in a more reason-based ideology.

imintrouble, BSN, RN · Feb 17, 2015

I'm not sure when the above picture was taken, but that room doesn't look like it belongs in a personal residence.

Red outlets scream institution. Are we sure Jahi is in the $10K apartment? Just because she pays for it, doesn't mean she's there.

OrganizedChaos, LVN · Feb 17, 2015

I'm not sure when the above picture was taken, but that room doesn't look like it belongs in a personal residence.
Red outlets scream institution. Are we sure Jahi is in the $10K apartment? Just because she pays for it, doesn't mean she's there.

No, I think that was when she was still in a hospital or LTC facility. But she would still be trached & vented. Of course her family isn't going to take pictures of her looking like that now. They want her to look "alive".

Red Kryptonite · Feb 17, 2015

In that case, 'pro lifers', like many Muslims, need to speak out publicly about moderation TO the extremists within their own ranks. Like you just did. Not everyone is sure all pro lifers are NOT extremists, as we don't often hear moderating voices.

We do. But as had been demonstrated the last several years with the March for Life in Washington, pro-lifers have a hard time getting fair and relevant media coverage. So just how would you know that we publicly denounced extremism in our ranks? That doesn't fit the media narrative so they won't cover it. Media outlets that do cover prolife news aren't frequented by those who disagree, so you wouldn't see the coverage it gets there.

"News" is entertainment these days, and they hold themselves to no standard, really, anymore. Before believing immediately what your favorite outlet says, check it against something from a source you think has a viewpoint different from your own. Go see what people and organizations say about themselves before automatically believing what someone else tells you about them (and yes, not everyone is honest, but that's something else to evaluate). The truth is usually hiding around the middle of the swirling maelstrom of crap spun by media outlets.

Gooselady, BSN, RN · Feb 18, 2015

We do. But as had been demonstrated the last several years with the March for Life in Washington, pro-lifers have a hard time getting fair and relevant media coverage. So just how would you know that we publicly denounced extremism in our ranks? That doesn't fit the media narrative so they won't cover it. Media outlets that do cover prolife news aren't frequented by those who disagree, so you wouldn't see the coverage it gets there.
"News" is entertainment these days, and they hold themselves to no standard, really, anymore. Before believing immediately what your favorite outlet says, check it against something from a source you think has a viewpoint different from your own. Go see what people and organizations say about themselves before automatically believing what someone else tells you about them (and yes, not everyone is honest, but that's something else to evaluate). The truth is usually hiding around the middle of the swirling maelstrom of crap spun by media outlets.

The media is in many ways the arbiter of what information is shared, and I am sick of it too, beyond sick It's been tough to find unspun information, where it is EASY to get bombarded with nonsense, non issues. Then, it is sharply divided into media outlets aligning with the progressives, or the conservatives. I read both (on purpose), or try to. I do the same with YouTube videos, which is much more immediate and captivating. I can see both points of view, at least for a time. Conservative media outlets won't put some liberal saves the day story and vice versa. Liberals won't hear any back lash from a moderate pro-life group to it's more radical members. Most liberals could care less, it's far more satisfying to just think of the pro-life movement as a bunch of politicians financially exploiting the truly religious to gain voters. In the same theme its much more satisfying to believe the liberals who vote for stem cell research are going to end up finding some step by step way to make human experimentation 'OK'.

And then everyone and their brother's opinion on Facebook . . .

I'm still not convinced I know what's going on out there lol. What is tough to deal with is being accused of being just like those radical liberals when I question a sacred factoid. Or if I were to ask questions about just how effective this years flu vaccine was, in this current media frenzy I'd be accused of being an anti-vaxxer.

I wonder who out there is actually interested in telling a true story? Maybe there wouldn't BE any stories worth knowing if the media didn't spin them just right for the conservatives and others for the liberals. It crosses my mind, anyway. So I'm glad you responded to my post as I hoped, as an honest question.