The skinny on Magnet and BSN vs. ADN

Mulan · Oct 18, 2011

I've noticed the new hires have all been BSN (magnet hospital).

klone, MSN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

Also, at both magnet hospitals I've worked at, all new grads were required to be BSN, but they would hire experienced ADNs.

brandy1017, ASN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

I doubt the hospitals will provide full tuition reimbursement for the majority ADN RN's to become BSN. You're lucky if you get $1,000 to $2,000 to go back to school and then they add all sorts of catches like if you have a written note on your file they won't reimburse you for tuition for a year. Magnet status is a joke! They're not going to pay you more to have your BSN! Just try to make more people get in student loan debt they don't need to look good and keep the college industry booming!

Forget about having a family or a life, its bad enough we can't have weekends and holidays off and then they're trying to mandate us to go back to school and get more in debt and spend more time away from our families just to look good on paper! This is wrong!

I have no intention on going back to school for a BSN and going thru the chore of clinicals again. The only way I would do this if it was for an NP and I don't have the time or money to go back to school and don't plan to spend my retirement using my social security to pay back student loans! If your young you have time on your side, assuming you don't get injured on the job and become disabled!

Tell me does your magnet status mandate that hospitals have no lift environments with sit to stands and ceiling lifts. That is what we need, the practical things. As far as education, we get plenty of education due to the the changes and expansion of technology and clinical treatments to our patient population, paid for by our employer! I don't need to spend money to learn about nursing theories and management ideas. I have no desire to be a manager!

klone, MSN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

I don't know of any RN-BSN programs that require clinicals. It's mostly just nursing theory.

I swore for several years that I was not going back for my BSN. I was going to be a bedside nurse for my whole career, and I didn't need a BSN. Situations change, and I was faced with the realization that many doors of opportunity were shut to me, due to not having a BSN. I want to maximize my options. I may even go back for my Master's someday.

Dixielee, BSN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

Clinicals in my BSN bridge program were NOTHING like clinicals in my ADN program. I actually enjoyed them. We spent time at the state capital working with the nursing association lobby, we sat in on and contributed to Health and Human Services committee meetings, etc. We had another "clinical" where we were to choose an area of nursing we had never worked in, but might have an interest. I worked with the risk manager of the hospital where I worked, went to committee meetings, help design the "risk to fall" protocols.

All of the clinicals were "on your own" type things. In any case, it did not change the way I did nursing, but it did broaden my world view.

That said, I have been hearing about hospitals mandating BSN's since I first graduated in 1973, so this is not a new topic. Eventually, it may become necessary, but probably not in my lifetime.

scifihippie · Oct 18, 2011

I knew going into an ADN program that two hospitals in town would not hire a new grad ADN b/c of Magnet. Now this summer, 4 months before I graduate, two more hospitals have put in a no new ADN policy due to Magnet. For me, I was planning on getting my RN to BSN, but now I will have to work at a hospital that is further from my home until then. I have personally talked to the recruiter at each of these hospitals and they have all told me that Magnet is the reason they will not hire new ADNs and to call back when I have my BSN.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Oct 18, 2011

as lpn, my health system reimbursed me $2,000/yr 79-82 towards my bsn.

https://allnurses.com/nursing-news/texas-hospital-paying-629661.html#post5756165

today giving away 4,000 for fte...went to paying school directly in 2010 even covering books up to max amount as found that was stunbling block for many returning to school, unable to pasy costs upfront expecially if supporting a family.

another push is from

the future of nursing: focus on education - institute of medicine

...with more than 3 million members, the nursing profession is the largest segment of the nation's health care workforce. working on the front lines of patient care, nurses have a direct effect on patient care. their regular, close proximity to patients and scientific understanding of care processes across the continuum of care give them a unique ability to effect wide-reaching changes in the health care system. nurses must be prepared to meet diverse patients' needs; function as leaders; and advance science that benefits patients and the capacity of health professionals to deliver safe, quality patient-centered care. if new nurses are to succeed in this complex and evolving health care system, nursing education needs to be transformed.
recomendations:
increase the proportion of nurses with a baccalaureate degree to 80 percent by 2020.
academic nurse leaders across all schools of nursing should work together to increase the proportion of nurses with a baccalaureate degree from 50 to 80 percent by 2020. these leaders should partner with education accrediting bodies, private and public funders, and employers to ensure funding, monitor progress, and increase the diversity of students to create a workforce prepared to meet the demands of diverse populations across the lifespan
* the commission on collegiate nursing education, working in collaboration with the national league for nursing accrediting commission, should require all nursing schools to offer defined academic pathways, beyond articulation agreements, that promote seamless access for nurses to higher levels of education.
* health care organizations should encourage nurses with associate's and diploma degrees to enter baccalaureate nursing programs within 5 years of graduation by offering tuition reimbursement, creating a culture that fosters continuing education, and providing a salary differential and promotion.
* private and public funders should collaborate, and when possible pool funds, to expand baccalaureate programs to enroll more students by offering scholarships and loan forgiveness, hiring more faculty, expanding clinical instruction through new clinical partnerships, and using technology to augment instruction. these efforts should take into consideration strategies to increase the diversity of the nursing workforce in terms of race/ethnicity, gender, and geographic distribution.
* the u.s. secretary of education, other federal agencies including the health resources and services administration, and state and private funders should expand loans and grants for second-degree nursing students.
* schools of nursing, in collaboration with other health professional schools, should design and implement early and continuous interprofessional collaboration through joint classroom and clinical training opportunities.
* academic nurse leaders should partner with health care organizations, leaders from primary and secondary school systems, and other community organizations to recruit and advance diverse nursing students....

those entering adn/asn programs must be prepared to continue their education to meet todays market forces that are affecting employment.

applewhitern, BSN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

Some schools do require clinicals for BSN, even if you have already been nursing as an ADN for years.

hiddencatRN, BSN, RN · Oct 18, 2011

I doubt the hospitals will provide full tuition reimbursement for the majority ADN RN's to become BSN. You're lucky if you get $1,000 to $2,000 to go back to school and then they add all sorts of catches like if you have a written note on your file they won't reimburse you for tuition for a year.

My hospital pays $5,000 a year for tuition and $7,500 if classes are taken at the affiliated university. Many of the local schools will also credit your tuition so it's not due until you get the reimbursement from work. It's a pretty good deal I think. Several of my coworkers are enrolled together and so study together.

alodocios · Oct 18, 2011

it has always been my plan to get my bsn but after i get hired. i have been told that it is getting harder to get into my hospital of choice as a new adn, i haven't graduated yet, but i made it my responsibility to meet as many higher ups as i could, i made friends with the vice president of human resources, the man right under him, the vp gave me the number of the director of perioperative nurses and told me to call her, said he would tell her to be looking for my call, some supervisors, etc... networking is now more key than ever as an adn student unfortunately, as if we don't have enough to do with schooling and family. But, you do what you must, and now the vp of human resources checks in on me and my grades and tells me he is waiting on me to grad and i'm in, like i said, you do what you must. :smackingf:uhoh3: