"The Jesus Factor"

[FireStarterRN]

A collegue of mine in the ICU is soon moving to Home Health for several reasons, both personal and otherwise. At the nurses station the other day, she and one of the doctors were talking, and she mentioned to him, regarding one of his patients, that "The Jesus factor was all squared away". This co-worker is a very active Christian and so is the MD in question. I asked her what that meant and she said that she liked to make sure where people were going when they die. She said that that was one reason why she wanted to do home health and hospice, was to help people find Jesus before they die.

She is an awesome, awesome nurse, but I was always thought that this is not ethical. I would never discuss religion with a patient unless they wanted to and I don't think it's correct to try to convert them. She's basically going to be evangelizing her Home Health patients. I find that disturbing.

[reesern63, RN]

Perhaps "evangelize" is the wrong word to use, since it connotes an attempt to convert someone:

Definition of "evangelize"

[fronkey bean]

Yeah, and these Christians are a little kookie too. They are just as crazy as any other religious extremist group, and they are dangerous.

I don't consider yoga dangerous, but isn't that a little judgemental? There may be a reason for their belief.

Ummm...I think it was you who first typed the word "brainwashed". I have not seen any posts in this thread which made me feel someone was brainwashed either.

You talked about DK, I talked about his followers being brainwashed but that it didn't apply to the posters in this thread.

[SweetLadyJ]

Perhaps "evangelize" is the wrong word to use, since it connotes an attempt to convert someone:

Definition of "evangelize"

Interesting...to me, evangelize means to simply share the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not necessarily to persuade someone to be a Christian. Thanks for posting this. Now I see where some people are coming from. Everyone has a different meaning on things.

[fronkey bean]

Man I went to sleep at page 33 and boy what I missed. Can I Make an observation? We had been talking for 33 pages and had come to a little agreement on how and if to talk about spiitual matters. Then Aspiring writes one post say she would "evangelize" or share her faith if she got the chance. She made clear it was only if she had the opportunity and she wouldn't shove her views down anyones throat but she immediately gets this negative response that she is proselytizing and putting her own needs above those of her pts. I can see why she got upset! I would have felt attacked in her postition. Can I just through something out there for thought? Sometimes non evangelical Christians and non Christians have this knee-jerk negative response to an evangelical mentioning the name of Jesus? I'm not trying to stir up dissention, but there are reasons Christians often feel picked on (please notice I did not SAY and do not MEAN persecuted).

[leslie :-D]

Sometimes non evangelical Christians and non Christians have this knee-jerk negative response to an evangelical mentioning the name of Jesus?

i'll have to think about that.

there could be some validity to what you say.

appreciate your input, fronkey.

leslie

[Skrawberri]

I know this thread is extremely long already, but I just had to put in my 2 cents (for what it's worth). :)

As a Born-Again Christian, I see NOTHING wrong with your coworker doing what she does. In fact, if she did not do this, then she wouldn't be following Christ completely. Above any law, I follow Christ first. He sent Us on the Great Commission which is to share His love with the world, even our patients (well, especially our dying patients). I know there is an afterlife... there is a Heaven and a Hell out there, and it's not because God wants to send us to hell, but because we are sinful and have sinned against a righteous and holy God. That is why He sent Jesus to us, because we need Him. He paid for our sin. It's that simple. If we choose to not believe in Him, we must pay for our sins in hell. We can't be let into heaven without the atoning blood of Jesus. Jesus said it..... I didnt make this up.

As I understand it, your coworker believes this very much (as do I).

Another thing.. I really DONT KNOW what it is people have against Jesus, anyways. Have you ever read a Bible? Read any of the Gospels? I'd like you to point out ONE thing He did that was wrong or evil.

You can't. His entire being is all about love. And that is why your coworker is witnessing to her pts, because she loves mankind and wants them to know her savior.

This is something only we Christians can understand so I don't expect everyone else who does not know the Lord to understand at all.

[leslie :-D]

I know this thread is extremely long already, but I just had to put in my 2 cents (for what it's worth). :)

As a Born-Again Christian, I see NOTHING wrong with your coworker doing what she does. In fact, if she did not do this, then she wouldn't be following Christ completely. Above any law, I follow Christ first. He sent Us on the Great Commission which is to share His love with the world, even our patients (well, especially our dying patients). I know there is an afterlife... there is a Heaven and a Hell out there, and it's not because God wants to send us to hell, but because we are sinful and have sinned against a righteous and holy God. That is why He sent Jesus to us, because we need Him. He paid for our sin. It's that simple. If we choose to not believe in Him, we must pay for our sins in hell. We can't be let into heaven without the atoning blood of Jesus. Jesus said it..... I didnt make this up.

As I understand it, your coworker believes this very much (as do I).

Another thing.. I really DONT KNOW what it is people have against Jesus, anyways. Have you ever read a Bible? Read any of the Gospels? I'd like you to point out ONE thing He did that was wrong or evil.

You can't. His entire being is all about love. And that is why your coworker is witnessing to her pts, because she loves mankind and wants them to know her savior.

This is something only we Christians can understand so I don't expect everyone else who does not know the Lord to understand at all.

hi skrawberri, :)

do you believe the pt should pursue the nurse in his/her desire to learn about Christ?

or would you bring it up first?

leslie

[teeituptom, BSN, RN]

I have an opinion on everything

and I pray a lot

everytime I have a lengthy putt for eagle or birdies. I pray very devoutly

If that nurse wants to talk religion she can talk religion as easily as I bore people with all my golf talk.

[Roy Fokker, BSN, RN]

Have you ever read a Bible? Read any of the Gospels? I'd like you to point out ONE thing He did that was wrong or evil.

You can't. His entire being is all about love.

I could answer this (It's a loaded statement and it's response is equally loaded. In fact, this response in itself is loaded).

But I won't.

Not here. Not on a public board dedicated to Nursing - not discussions over the Christian religion.

But I would like to point out - please don't assume that those who say "No" are speaking from ignorance or from a lack of knowledge. For all you know, I could be a theologian who works part time as a nurse.

respectfully,

[teeituptom, BSN, RN]

All you need is Love, Love

Love is all you need

The Beatles

[vashtee, RN]

Another thing.. I really DONT KNOW what it is people have against Jesus, anyways. Have you ever read a Bible? Read any of the Gospels? I'd like you to point out ONE thing He did that was wrong or evil.

I don't think it is about having something against Jesus, but rather proselytizing.

[fronkey bean]

I have an opinion on everything

and I pray a lot

everytime I have a lengthy putt for eagle or birdies. I pray very devoutly

If that nurse wants to talk religion she can talk religion as easily as I bore people with all my golf talk.

Golf talk is not boring Tom, but , in my experience, it is not always truthful!:lol2: