At first I wasn't going to write this post since I believe that a film that appears to be (at least in part) based on thoroughly discredited, fear-mongering nonsense should get as little attention as possible.
Then after browsing several anti-vaccine and conspiracist websites I found as I suspected, that this has already exploded and whatever I write here won't make matters any worse.
The film 'Vaxxed' is directed by Mr Andrew Wakefield, a former physician who lost his medical license after research that he had authored, was found fraudulent (containing as I understand it, both methodological and ethical flaws).
Just watching the trailer for this film elevated my BP into dangerous territory. How is it that this man keeps promoting the same debunked data to this day? Hasn't it caused enough harm already?
It seems that anti-vaccine proponents span the entire spectrum from sadly misinformed to clearly unhinged. However, no matter what their individual motivation happens to be, they are in my opinion dangerous. We have fought a hard battle against diseases that today are vaccine-preventable. Millions of children have died in the past and some still do, to this day. We don't see much of it in first-world countries due to the success of vaccines. Anti-vaccine proponents seem to believe that the "olden days" were better. I think it's deeply worrisome.
In my escapades around the internet, I've found all sorts of scary blogs, clips and opinions relating to childhood vaccines.
This YouTube clip rather amusingly (in a sad way) has 90 likes and zero (!) dislikes (probably because no rational person would even click on it in the first place). (I'm not sure what this says about me)
Anyway this women thinks that nagalese (an enzyme) is added on purpose to vaccines in order to induce autism, cancer and type 2 diabetes in vaccine recipients. And the doctors who discovered this were subsequently murdered to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
(It seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactoseaminidase (referred to as nagalese in the YouTube clip) can deglycosylate vitamin D binding protein (DBP) and DBP plays a role in the immune cascade response. So it seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase can interfere with the immune response. While some cancer cells can release alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase, I've found no proof that injecting them into humans induces cancers, never mind autism and DMII. I will however admit that I didn't spend an inordinate amount of time researching her theory).
I admit that this last video is a bit extreme. But this woman and other "anti-vaxxers" have one thing on common. They are willing to accept something as true, even when there is no supporting evidence available.
Serious questions:
* Why are some people so vulnerable/susceptible to flawed logic and poor research?
* What can we as nurses/healthcare professionals do to ensure that our patients base their decisions on sound evidence-based facts or at least have the opportunity to do so? Or should we just reconcile ourselves with the fact that a portion of the population will base their decisions on questionable or outright false information, misconceptions and fear?
Or, maybe the OP has better things to do with his/her time than attempt to justify her beliefs to a bunch of people who have their minds made up on the issue. Purely speculation on my part, of course.
Then why put it out there?
Who says our minds are made up? I want to see actual research that supports "the other side"!
Don't you? Don't we all?
(This may be purely speculation on my part, of course.)
Or, maybe the OP has better things to do with his/her time than attempt to justify her beliefs to a bunch of people who have their minds made up on the issue. Purely speculation on my part, of course.
I'm not asking anyone to justify "beliefs"-they can believe what they want. I want to see the science that they purport exists to back up their beliefs. And if they have enough time to post their "beliefs", they surely must have time to post what these beliefs are based on. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Your overreaction and abject condemnation doe not indicate objectivity. Name calling is not open minded consideration of alternative conclusions. Pharmaceutical companies funding of research does not make for objectivity and the under reporting of vaccine induced adverse effects is suspect. Please respect others opinions and especially our right to disagree and control what enters our bodies. Believe it or not there is research that disagrees with you. I know its hard to swallow but you just might be wrong.
Funny how some people keep coming here saying there's research to support their claims, and then they never post/share it. Just an interesting observation......
Macawake, I appreciate your post, but only because you clearly voiced your opinion (a freedom) out of concern for others' well-being (compassion--a good thing). I will use a quote I heard one doctor say about current treatment of cancer: "You can't fault physicians for not knowing the truth, when the only education they get teaches them differently." Physicians are taught by pharmaceutical company-backed and supported research, (which, by the way, has been called-out on being skewed. Research should be done by an independant lab, but is done by the company who stands to profit from the said research.) Same goes for vaccines.
If one were to study how vaccinations affect the immune system, it would become clear that man-made induced vaccinations run counter to the natural process of building immunity. I studied under a physician who taught this very information, so I clearly see how what we are taught as nurses (and doctors) is not helping things. For instance, why do we inject foreign substances into children before their immune systems are fully developed (which occurs around age 6 or 7)? It is the snotty noses and fevers in childhood ilnesses that develop the immune system! So, why do we suppress fevers, when it's the fever that stimulates the production of WBC's to the tune of 10,000 extra WBC's PER SECOND for each degree above normal temp? I actually know of families who vaccinated some children and not others, and the ones without.have proven to be much , much healthier. Overloading the immune.system with the onslaught of more and more and more vaccines is actually weakening the immune response.
But back to the topic at hand. I must confess, I haven't seen this movie. But I do have friends who are Naturopath Doctors, who have watched their friends die of suspicious causes. I have heard one doctor state there are nanobacteria in vaccines that no one knows what to do with. They're just there. I have personally taken care of 3 children who were fine one day, got their vaccinations, and within two days were paralyzed. AND, I know of a pair of twins who died--together!--after receiving their vaccinations. SIDS was ruled out in that case, and the etiology of their demise remains "unknown".
One example I argue, is why give chicken pox vaccine? It is temporary and puts the individual at risk for complications later in life. Whereas just having chicken pox as a child will give lifetime immunity. I am so grateful my children actually had chicken pox!
We all see the world through the lenses of our own learned responses. I have learned there is too much at risk to just blindly accept vaccines as the answer to building health. I personally believe in building up the immune system, accepting the body's natural ways of eliminating toxins and working WITH the body's natural ways.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that, when you claim these conspiracies are built upon fears without any foundation (scientific facts), I argue, your opinion is also lacking facts. There is a plethora of scientific and medical proof to support these claims against mass vaccination.
I wish I had time to site all the sources from all that I have claimed here, but today I do not have time for that. I really wish I did. Because ALL medical professionals need to be educated. The only ones coming out on top with our current practices are the pharmaceutical companies and the for-profit medical practices.
THANK YOU!!! I couldn't have said it any better myself. And thank you for having the courage to post, knowing that the majority of other nurses on this board will not only disagree with you, but will demean and insult you while doing so. I am out of providing nursing care in the current "sick care" system. My conscious will not allow me to do so. Vaccines are a big part of this. Patients are NOT receiving the information they need to be able to give truly informed consent. I *cannot* administer vaccines, just as I can no longer administer a wide range of pharmaceuticals. It took me many years and hundreds of hours of reading to come to these conclusions. (It's funny -- I started looking into the vaccine issue because I was by gosh going to get these "crazy anti-vaxxers" to finally see that vaccines saved the human species! But, what I discovered was that the "crazy" people knew WAY more than I did with my simplistic "lock and key" antigen-antibody stuff. I learned that I was the one who didn't know jack.) So, again, thank you. I am still a nurse, and I always will be. I still take care of family and friends. I spend a big part of every day studying real heath care and passing it on to those who see the sick-care system for what it is -- a money making scheme.
THANK YOU!!! I couldn't have said it any better myself. And thank you for having the courage to post, knowing that the majority of other nurses on this board will not only disagree with you, but will demean and insult you while doing so. I am out of providing nursing care in the current "sick care" system. My conscious will not allow me to do so. Vaccines are a big part of this. Patients are NOT receiving the information they need to be able to give truly informed consent. I *cannot* administer vaccines, just as I can no longer administer a wide range of pharmaceuticals. It took me many years and hundreds of hours of reading to come to these conclusions. (It's funny -- I started looking into the vaccine issue because I was by gosh going to get these "crazy anti-vaxxers" to finally see that vaccines saved the human species! But, what I discovered was that the "crazy" people knew WAY more than I did with my simplistic "lock and key" antigen-antibody stuff. I learned that I was the one who didn't know jack.) So, again, thank you. I am still a nurse, and I always will be. I still take care of family and friends. I spend a big part of every day studying real heath care and passing it on to those who see the sick-care system for what it is -- a money making scheme.
I don't see where anyone has demeaned you or the others. All we are asking for is evidence that supports your beliefs. I'd certainly like to learn more about your claims and beliefs, but I'm not going to just take your word without back up. Nor would I expect anyone to believe what I say blindly. So, please, share with us what changed your mind.
THANK YOU!!! I couldn't have said it any better myself. And thank you for having the courage to post, knowing that the majority of other nurses on this board will not only disagree with you, but will demean and insult you while doing so. I am out of providing nursing care in the current "sick care" system. My conscious will not allow me to do so. Vaccines are a big part of this. Patients are NOT receiving the information they need to be able to give truly informed consent. I *cannot* administer vaccines, just as I can no longer administer a wide range of pharmaceuticals. It took me many years and hundreds of hours of reading to come to these conclusions. (It's funny -- I started looking into the vaccine issue because I was by gosh going to get these "crazy anti-vaxxers" to finally see that vaccines saved the human species! But, what I discovered was that the "crazy" people knew WAY more than I did with my simplistic "lock and key" antigen-antibody stuff. I learned that I was the one who didn't know jack.) So, again, thank you. I am still a nurse, and I always will be. I still take care of family and friends. I spend a big part of every day studying real heath care and passing it on to those who see the sick-care system for what it is -- a money making scheme.
Sigh.
I see no other nurses on this board "demeaning" or "insulting" anyone ... unless you mean by not taking your words on blind faith as demeaning and insulting. I see highly educated nurses asking for research from reputable sources to back your side of the debate.
As for patients not receiving the information they need to give 'truly' informed consent, well, I'm a patient too, am I not? I've done my research; I just don't agree with your 'research' (and I put it in quotes because I still haven't seen links yet).
One day of clinic and I am 10 pages behind. I considered going back and responding to each piece of blatantly false information that has been posted but it seems everyone has done a great job at that already.
The VAERS system does exactly what it is designed to do: cast a large net to attempt to capture every possible vaccine-related adverse event. It is a readily available source for anyone involved to submit information about a potential vaccine related adverse event outside of reporting directly to the manufacturer. Only a very small portion of reports are found to truly be vaccine-related.
Read this study: Sukumaran, L., McNeil, M. M., Moro, P. L., Lewis, P. W., Winiecki, S. K., & Shimabukuro, T. T. (2015). Adverse Events Following Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine in Adults Reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 2003–2013. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 60(10), e58-e65.
Look at table 3, it demonstrates exactly what the VAERS system gets for reports, this one is about deaths potentially due to the vaccine.
I happen to know many people in my network of people who happen to believe such ideas... The first thing I tell them that if it doesn't have APA style citations from credible sources such as universities or recognized medical journals then it is false until PROVEN other wise.... Next I encourage them to take a microbiology class (medical terminology class wouldn't hurt either now that I think of it) and they will quickly realize the falseness in these articles videos and stories..... I'm very passionate about this topic and could rant all day but I'll just leave it at that
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to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
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Then why put it out there?
Who says our minds are made up? I want to see actual research that supports "the other side"!
Don't you? Don't we all?
(This may be purely speculation on my part, of course.)