At first I wasn't going to write this post since I believe that a film that appears to be (at least in part) based on thoroughly discredited, fear-mongering nonsense should get as little attention as possible.
Then after browsing several anti-vaccine and conspiracist websites I found as I suspected, that this has already exploded and whatever I write here won't make matters any worse.
The film 'Vaxxed' is directed by Mr Andrew Wakefield, a former physician who lost his medical license after research that he had authored, was found fraudulent (containing as I understand it, both methodological and ethical flaws).
Just watching the trailer for this film elevated my BP into dangerous territory. How is it that this man keeps promoting the same debunked data to this day? Hasn't it caused enough harm already?
It seems that anti-vaccine proponents span the entire spectrum from sadly misinformed to clearly unhinged. However, no matter what their individual motivation happens to be, they are in my opinion dangerous. We have fought a hard battle against diseases that today are vaccine-preventable. Millions of children have died in the past and some still do, to this day. We don't see much of it in first-world countries due to the success of vaccines. Anti-vaccine proponents seem to believe that the "olden days" were better. I think it's deeply worrisome.
In my escapades around the internet, I've found all sorts of scary blogs, clips and opinions relating to childhood vaccines.
This YouTube clip rather amusingly (in a sad way) has 90 likes and zero (!) dislikes (probably because no rational person would even click on it in the first place). (I'm not sure what this says about me)
Anyway this women thinks that nagalese (an enzyme) is added on purpose to vaccines in order to induce autism, cancer and type 2 diabetes in vaccine recipients. And the doctors who discovered this were subsequently murdered to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
(It seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactoseaminidase (referred to as nagalese in the YouTube clip) can deglycosylate vitamin D binding protein (DBP) and DBP plays a role in the immune cascade response. So it seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase can interfere with the immune response. While some cancer cells can release alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase, I've found no proof that injecting them into humans induces cancers, never mind autism and DMII. I will however admit that I didn't spend an inordinate amount of time researching her theory).
I admit that this last video is a bit extreme. But this woman and other "anti-vaxxers" have one thing on common. They are willing to accept something as true, even when there is no supporting evidence available.
Serious questions:
* Why are some people so vulnerable/susceptible to flawed logic and poor research?
* What can we as nurses/healthcare professionals do to ensure that our patients base their decisions on sound evidence-based facts or at least have the opportunity to do so? Or should we just reconcile ourselves with the fact that a portion of the population will base their decisions on questionable or outright false information, misconceptions and fear?
The film Vaxxed is real that big pharma is in profit business like all nurses are. What are you going to do if there is a natural cure not just a band aid. The doctors and big pharma lesson hear is that they will give you a drug that will cause another problems and they will also have a drug for that. Its a double drouble and goes around and around. I have personaly seen people that are cured with cancer at stage 4 with natural means and no poison kimo. I have also meet family that are home schooling there kids because they do not want school to dictate that there kid needs to be vaxxed to go to school. This kids that are not vaxxed are all without any kind of of a bad vaccine. Why dont you inject your self and find out.
The film Vaxxed is real that big pharma is in profit business like all nurses are. What are you going to do if there is a natural cure not just a band aid. The doctors and big pharma lesson hear is that they will give you a drug that will cause another problems and they will also have a drug for that. Its a double drouble and goes around and around. I have personaly seen people that are cured with cancer at stage 4 with natural means and no poison kimo. I have also meet family that are home schooling there kids because they do not want school to dictate that there kid needs to be vaxxed to go to school. This kids that are not vaxxed are all without any kind of of a bad vaccine. Why dont you inject your self and find out.
First, some corrections in your post. It is correct, not real. It is here, not hear. It is problem, not problems. I believe it is dribble, not drouble (or were you going for trouble?). It is were, not are. It is chemo, not kimo. It is met, not meet. It is families, not family. It is their kids, not there kids. Again, their, not there. It is These kids, not This kids. It is don't, not dont. It is yourself, not your self.
Now, for your premises.
1) Pharmaceutical companies are in business to make money. It is called capitalism.
2) Please look on some of the other threads here. Nurses make squat. Oh, and no, we do not get kickbacks from anyone. The ONLY reason to become a nurse, is to try to help your fellow man. The pay is nowhere NEAR enough to deal with what we have to.
3) What you have given is anecdotal evidence. Where is the case study that shows Stage 4 cancer being healed by "natural means", and what were those means? And PLEASE do not say homeopathic medicine.
4) Actually, unless someone here had a medical reason not to get vaccinated, you are talking to a bunch of professionals who HAVE been injected, and are fine, thank you very much.
I still stand on my previous post. If the parents chose to not vaccinate, fine. But when something happens, place them in jail for manslaughter.
Proven by who? Usually if a person goes against the flow, They are stripped of their license. It is a way to get the MD to conform and go against what they have found. Ask ANY MD in school they did not learn how to cure any disease. They were taught what medicine to give and then what to give for the side effect of that drug... until the patient has so many they cant keep up. They are taught to vaccinate. Do you realize when a fresh vaccinated child goes around someone with no immune system the vaccine is shedding and they vaccinated child is passing on the disease to all he comes in contact with. Most of the breakouts of late have come from vaccinated kids. What is wrong with letting the body do what it was made to do. Eat whole foods and build your immune system to take care of you instead of breaking it down.
On top of that this is supposed to be America where your free to make your own choice. People do not need your "teaching" to convince to vaccinate their child. People who do not vaccinate have had plenty of research on it. They KNOW not to put poison in their child or themselves. It is their INFORMED decision. Quit trying to force patients to go against what they have decided for them and their families. What happened to if a patient says no they "refused" and leave it at that? If people would file charges on nurses that force or try to force them against their will for assault then more nurses would realize they have made their informed decision.
Proven by who? Usually if a person goes against the flow, They are stripped of their license. It is a way to get the MD to conform and go against what they have found. Ask ANY MD in school they did not learn how to cure any disease. They were taught what medicine to give and then what to give for the side effect of that drug... until the patient has so many they cant keep up. They are taught to vaccinate. Do you realize when a fresh vaccinated child goes around someone with no immune system the vaccine is shedding and they vaccinated child is passing on the disease to all he comes in contact with. Most of the breakouts of late have come from vaccinated kids. What is wrong with letting the body do what it was made to do. Eat whole foods and build your immune system to take care of you instead of breaking it down.
On top of that this is supposed to be America where your free to make your own choice. People do not need your "teaching" to convince to vaccinate their child. People who do not vaccinate have had plenty of research on it. They KNOW not to put poison in their child or themselves. It is their INFORMED decision. Quit trying to force patients to go against what they have decided for them and their families. What happened to if a patient says no they "refused" and leave it at that? If people would file charges on nurses that force or try to force them against their will for assault then more nurses would realize they have made their informed decision.
Yes. This is america. Where you have the right to choose what you do and don't do, UNTIL it affects someone else. What part of the constitution states that my neighbor can refuse to vaccinate his child, thereby killing my newborn?
Proven by who? Usually if a person goes against the flow, They are stripped of their license. It is a way to get the MD to conform and go against what they have found. Ask ANY MD in school they did not learn how to cure any disease. They were taught what medicine to give and then what to give for the side effect of that drug... until the patient has so many they cant keep up. They are taught to vaccinate. Do you realize when a fresh vaccinated child goes around someone with no immune system the vaccine is shedding and they vaccinated child is passing on the disease to all he comes in contact with. Most of the breakouts of late have come from vaccinated kids. What is wrong with letting the body do what it was made to do. Eat whole foods and build your immune system to take care of you instead of breaking it down.
On top of that this is supposed to be America where your free to make your own choice. People do not need your "teaching" to convince to vaccinate their child. People who do not vaccinate have had plenty of research on it. They KNOW not to put poison in their child or themselves. It is their INFORMED decision. Quit trying to force patients to go against what they have decided for them and their families. What happened to if a patient says no they "refused" and leave it at that? If people would file charges on nurses that force or try to force them against their will for assault then more nurses would realize they have made their informed decision.
Hi. We are still waiting for you to cite your sources on the statements you made in your previous post.
As extreme as your stance can be to others, I think when people exercise freedom of choice, one needs to remember not only personal freedoms but personal RESPONSIBILITY...people love to parrot "my rights" but with rights, are responsibilities related to exercising said rights.
Yep, my point. But I must sensationalize and deal in extremisms to crack the hard shell that is ignorance, to prove a point. I mean, geez. These guys are not listening to BostonFNP, who has come at them with reason, logic, and PROOF. So, I guess I will be his hype man
The film Vaxxed is real that big pharma is in profit business like all nurses are. What are you going to do if there is a natural cure not just a band aid. The doctors and big pharma lesson hear is that they will give you a drug that will cause another problems and they will also have a drug for that. Its a double drouble and goes around and around. I have personaly seen people that are cured with cancer at stage 4 with natural means and no poison kimo. I have also meet family that are home schooling there kids because they do not want school to dictate that there kid needs to be vaxxed to go to school. This kids that are not vaxxed are all without any kind of of a bad vaccine. Why dont you inject your self and find out.
This has got to be a joke, right? The poor grammar mixed with the cured stage 4 CA screams it. If not, please know,
Your friend was NOT cured of their "stage IV cancer" by natural means.
As an oncology nurse, I am first and foremost an advocate for my patients before anything else. For someone to say that I am in it for profit is first of all, blind because look at my paycheck, and second, it's downright insulting.
PS inject myself with vaccines? While I don't give them to myself, I gladly lend my arm every year for my flu shot. So my patients don't spend big money being hospitalized with the flu. But, you know, I'm all in it for the money... maybe I should quit doing that, and ask for a bonus, or every patient I touched, that got the flu.
Proven by who? Usually if a person goes against the flow, They are stripped of their license. It is a way to get the MD to conform and go against what they have found. Ask ANY MD in school they did not learn how to cure any disease. They were taught what medicine to give and then what to give for the side effect of that drug... until the patient has so many they cant keep up. They are taught to vaccinate. Do you realize when a fresh vaccinated child goes around someone with no immune system the vaccine is shedding and they vaccinated child is passing on the disease to all he comes in contact with. Most of the breakouts of late have come from vaccinated kids. What is wrong with letting the body do what it was made to do. Eat whole foods and build your immune system to take care of you instead of breaking it down.
On top of that this is supposed to be America where your free to make your own choice. People do not need your "teaching" to convince to vaccinate their child. People who do not vaccinate have had plenty of research on it. They KNOW not to put poison in their child or themselves. It is their INFORMED decision. Quit trying to force patients to go against what they have decided for them and their families. What happened to if a patient says no they "refused" and leave it at that? If people would file charges on nurses that force or try to force them against their will for assault then more nurses would realize they have made their informed decision.
As "informed" is all in capitals, I am assuming you have the studies. Can you cite them, please?
Surely your incredibly biased description of insane "anti-vaxxers" with similarly absent research negates your argument? As there is little research to prove either argument I would say that discussion about the topic should be welcomed until such time that a determination can be made. I believe what I've seen, and from experience I've done many plasmapheresis treatments on people suddenly struck down by Guillain-Barre syndrome after having the flu shot. Research? No. Suggestion? Yes, lots. I don't want to get the flu shot but I am mandated to do so. I am anti forced vaccination. Everyone should have a choice over what goes into their own bodies and that of their children. You dismissing them as some kind of nut-job automatically makes me want to disagree with your argument purely because you dismiss the opinions of other who don't agree with you. We need more research. I'm all for debate, but perhaps your argument would carry more weight without the ridicule. All sides of the argument have extremes. There are degrees of separation and some arguments are more valid than others. I'd love to hear more evidence from both sides.
Rocknurse, you rock! Methinks the CDC doth protest too much. Let's hear from the "lead scientist" from the CDC--now a "whistleblower", named Dr. William Thompson, phD, who wants to testify before Congress, as to the destruction by the CDC, of important data, that indeed showed a connection between AUTISM and some vaccine ingredients. I wonder what the holdup is--could it be some vaccine manufacturers would prefer to NOT have any evidence of vaccine adverse side effects shared with the public? Hmmm. I wonder why BILLIONS of dollars have been paid to families of VACCINE INJURED OR KILLED children, by the Vaccine Court??? Just sayin'....
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to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
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I don't think it is extreme. Just what do these non vaxxers expect to happen to their kids' ability to fight off disease?