The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

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subee said:

 

Who has Trump tried to jail? Did he try to jail Hillary for her crimes? Has he provided names or how he would do this? 

He says he'll prosecute anyone who has broken a law. Just like he was charged for breaking a law. 

So "if your are innocent don't worry" and "no one is above the law" doesn't apply to democrats ? It's political persecution?  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Your ignorance of what Trump has said or done is evidence of what, in your mind? 

Free speech that Trump doesn't like is apparently evidence that the speaker is an enemy within.  At least that is what he implied the other day when he talked about using the military to take care of them. Is talk like that that a symptom of Trump's mental illness or his fascism? 

Well if someone called me Hitler for 8 years I might just call them "the enemy from within". I'd stop at saying the "enemy within" is an "existential threat that needs tos be eliminated and put in a bullseye". 

Talk like that is like Biden telling people you can't attack the government because the government has fighter/war jets. Was that dementia?  

So Trump's "dementia" has caused him to talk about the military? Mkay

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toomuchbaloney said:

It almost sounds like you have no idea why women might hesitate to make rape claims against a well known wealthy and influential bully.  First you defend the man by criticizing the victim, and then you deflect to another philanderer as if that makes Trump's abuse of women over his lifetime somehow acceptable.  

I know why some will make accusations later and not at the time. 

It wasn't politically or monetarily profitable.  Which is one reason why. However there are others. 

I criticized the "victims" credibility as a person.

If Trump is convicted of rape in the criminal court then I would consider that a reason not to vote for him. 

However he has not. No criminal charges for rape. 

Pretty sure if there were credible reports of rape, they would have come out by now. 

Do you have evidence he "abused women over a lifetime"? Or just cherry picked comments and speculation? Unproven allegations?  

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Crusades said:

Who has Trump tried to jail? Did he try to jail Hillary for her crimes? Has he provided names or how he would do this? 

He says he'll prosecute anyone who has broken a law. Just like he was charged for breaking a law. 

So "if your are innocent don't worry" and "no one is above the law" doesn't apply to democrats ? It's political persecution?  

According to Jim Comey, Trump did try to convince people in the DOJ to prosecute her. You probably don't believe him though, right? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-wanted-to-order-justice-dept-to-prosecute-clinton-comey-new-york-times-idUSKCN1NP2O9/

Crusades said:

Well if someone called me Hitler for 8 years I might just call them "the enemy from within". I'd stop at saying the "enemy within" is an "existential threat that needs tos be eliminated and put in a bullseye". 

Talk like that is like Biden telling people you can't attack the government because the government has fighter/war jets. Was that dementia?  

So Trump's "dementia" has caused him to talk about the military? Mkay

Who has called Trump Hitler for 8 years?  

 

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Crusades said:

I know why some will make accusations later and not at the time. 

It wasn't politically or monetarily profitable.  Which is one reason why. However there are others. 

I criticized the "victims" credibility as a person.

If Trump is convicted of rape in the criminal court then I would consider that a reason not to vote for him. 

However he has not. No criminal charges for rape. 

Pretty sure if there were credible reports of rape, they would have come out by now. 

Do you have evidence he "abused women over a lifetime"? Or just cherry picked comments and speculation? Unproven allegations?  

If Trump was convicted of rape in court you would defend him and criticize the process as a political persecution just like you did when he was found liable for sexual abuse or fraud or multiple felonies.  

I doubt that you would find any sexual assault claim against Trump to be credible.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

If Trump was convicted of rape in court you would defend him and criticize the process as a political persecution just like you did when he was found liable for sexual abuse or fraud or multiple felonies.  

I doubt that you would find any sexual assault claim against Trump to be credible.  

Even when he has bragged about it. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

According to Jim Comey, Trump did try to convince people in the DOJ to prosecute her. You probably don't believe him though, right? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-wanted-to-order-justice-dept-to-prosecute-clinton-comey-new-york-times-idUSKCN1NP2O9/

Who has called Trump Hitler for 8 years?  

 

Gaslight from the gaslighting detector 

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toomuchbaloney said:

If Trump was convicted of rape in court you would defend him and criticize the process as a political persecution just like you did when he was found liable for sexual abuse or fraud or multiple felonies.  

I doubt that you would find any sexual assault claim against Trump to be credible.  

Well I guess we'll find out if anyone one these numerous victims decide to file criminal charges. And he is found guilty. 

Currently, thetr have been no charges or convictions . 

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Crusades said:

Well I guess we'll find out if anyone one these numerous victims decide to file criminal charges. And he is found guilty. 

Currently, thetr have been no charges or convictions . 

Nah... we already know that you believe Trump even when he isfound guilty.  We don't have to wait. 

Crusades said:

Gaslight from the gaslighting detector 

Evidence that Trump tried to get Clinton jailed is gas lighting?  

 

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Beerman said:

Oh really?  How much time shall I give to consider that Trump wouldn't lose a vote if he raped a boy on stage?  Or that conservative politicians talk about genitals to manipulate their voters?  Shall I spend time pondering the validity of the Mango Mussolini nickname?

And these thoughts coming from folks who continually dismiss Trump voters as brainless cult followers who value his Hitler-like attributes.

I appreciate how much consideration you've given my pov over the years,  and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the above. 

 

You don't have to spend any time considering the facts about Trump.  You can simply deflect and whine about name calling while you vote for the mentally ill man who already tried to overthrow your government once before.  

Easy peasy. 

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Beerman said:

Oh really?  How much time shall I give to consider that Trump wouldn't lose a vote if he raped a boy on stage?  Or that conservative politicians talk about genitals to manipulate their voters?  Shall I spend time pondering the validity of the Mango Mussolini nickname?

And these thoughts coming from folks who continually dismiss Trump voters as brainless cult followers who value his Hitler-like attributes.

I appreciate how much consideration you've given my pov over the years,  and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the above. 

 

Allow me to correct you. Conservatives use genitals to manipulate their followers, Trump tried to manipulate his followers with genitals but can't because he has dementia.  

Ahahahaha. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Nah... we already know that you believe Trump even when he isfound guilty.  We don't have to wait. 

Evidence that Trump tried to get Clinton jailed is gas lighting?  

 

On that point. Was Trump able to get Clinton "investigated/jailed"? It seems more like he tried to get her investigated. Something people do all the time. 

No. Because the criminal justice system is independent of the POTUS.  A president can't just say " put that person in jail" the way you want people to think he can to create fear. 

So "Trump wants to jail people" is just a way to create fear when in reality he couldn't do that just by saying so. Another failing political tactic by democrats.  Whole they twits laws to find reasons to charge Trump. 

Ypu think that doesn't instill fear in people. If Trump can be investigated so rigorously, what stops normal citizens from the same fate? 

Another democrat failure. 

Gal8ghting about asking "who's called Trump Hitler for 8 yrs?" LOL 

 

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