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Hi All, this is probably more for me than anyone else, but maybe if someone can learn from my situation, they can prevent it for themselves.
I've been on this forum since before I got my LVN back in 2003. I was 20 at the time, and my parents basically said "You have a year to have some sort of career figured out, and then you are on your own." I was a good student and worked full time, but because I wasn't sure what direction I wanted to take in college, they basically forced a decision for me. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I suddenly had a year to figure out how to support myself and streamline some sort of career. Since we were in the midst of a major nursing shortage, I live in California where it's expensive, I decided I'd get my LVN at a trade school, since a community college was going to take significantly longer for a year for me to finish, and I didn't have that much time.
17,000 dollars and a year later...I was an LVN with lots of job opportunities.
I moved in with my boyfriend, life was good, I kept taking prereqs for my RN at the community college. However, instead of being thrifty and focusing on paying the debt off. I went out and had fun with my friends, I was 21, it was supposed to be a fun time. I only managed to pay off about half of it. so still had about 9,000 of the debt.
I finished my prereqs, applied to a couple community colleges, but I didn't realize how hard it is to actually get a spot in a Comunity College at an LVN to RN program. I actually got a job at a Cal State in 2006, and decided since the school was free for me, to take the additional prerequisites and just go there.
2007, we were doing really well financially, but living in a horrible apartment, very cheap, but a bad area. I decided it was time to buy a house. Everyone kept telling us to because prices were only going to go up and up. Mind you, we'd only ever paid 600 a month for this crap apartment and that included utilities. We had no clue what we were getting ourselves into, not how much more utilities would be with a 2000 dollar house payment. But hey, 2007, height of the market even tho we were told buy now.
Jan 2008 - accepted to the BSN program! Absolutely excited, know it's going to be hard to balance the job with part time hours and the school, I was able to make it balance for about one quarter. Then, my husband started getting his hours cut more and more, we couldn't even afford the house payment. I had a bad feeling. I was right. I got accepted to a private ADN program in northern California, I would be done 01/2009 or I could stay in the BSN program where I could no longer balance my job and was going to have to pay out of pocket and be done in 12/2010. 2 years difference, and with money so tight it made sense....35,000 more in debt, on top of the 10,000 I acquired at the BSN program trying to use student loans to pay a mortgage. Plus still the 9,000 from the LVN.
Finish the ADN program and so grateful I did it, my husband got very ill in the middle of it, and we had to stop making the hosue payments and walk away. It was inconceivable with a husband on disability and me so close to getting my RN to having any other choice.
After the ADN I was able to get a job in a New grad program in ICU, very very lucky. I went back to work, but decided, I had already done so much of the work for the BSN...why not finish? I had no money saved up and had to take out more loans to finish, about another 20k, but hey, they say there's so few jobs, and a BSN makes me more marketable.
So at this point:
9000 for the LVN
35,000 for the RN- ADN
10,000 plus then another
20,000 for the same BSN program
74,000
It makes me sick at night, there's so many things I could have done differently. When I was an LVN I could have paid off at least that 9,000 dollar loan, and maybe had some money saved towards the ADN. I definitely should have NEVER tried to buy a house, that would have saved me some of that debt. I could have waited a year to go back for my BSN and at least use tuition reimbursement for an employer. I probably should have sucked it up longer at my first job and been able to at least have tuition reimbursement for part of it the second year of the program.
In any case, that's the disgusting amount I owe, and I hope my "rant" can make someone else realize, the debt isn't always worth it. Honestly, I still do not regret the expensive ADN program, as my husband and I would have been in a much worse situation if I hadn't done it. Supporting two on an LVN salary in California would never have cut it. I just feel like had I made some significantly different decisions, the amount could be much less.
Open to any and all suggestions, at this point, I'm looking desperately at the local VA to see if maybe they have some sort of job that would at least allow some loan reimbursement. The one concern I have is it's a paycut from what I make now, and I am barely scraping by.
Our other problem is I'm trying to support my husband through a career retraining because he can no longer work in his prior field of truck driving with his health condition. Can't really drive a truck for 15 hours with arthritis. And we have no family nearby and the surprise bundle of joy we had last year gets expensive with babysitting.
If u can't consolidate ur debts (which I find hard to believe), get another loan thru a cheaper bank/lending institution to pay off ALL your debts. You need to get rid of all your debts first b4 anything else. Cut up the credit card/s. Look for somewhere cheaper to move. Go down to ur local social security office & ask them re every option open to ur family. Go 2 charity organisations & really stress that u need help - now is not the time for pride. Make a fuss re getting help (be firm but polite) otherwise u will be ignored.
If u have a 2nd car can u sell that? U can survive on public transport if u need to (though I myself wouldn't catch buses etc at night). Try & talk to a free u of debt business & ask their advice - they might just know a few tricks to help you.
Life just seems so hard now. We work, sweat & finish our study & give our all - but as I said on another thread, nursing is just not seen as professional.
Also, this sounds harsh, but can ur hubby not go out and work at a supermarket or in any other job even 2 days a week just for some extra cash? What about working somewhere local so he can walk or catch a bus?
Can u get a loan of money from a family member?
Let us know how it all works out, hope something turns up.
First, please don't continue to beat yourself up over the past. You can't change what's happened and there's no need to keep feeling guilty. A couple of years ago, I had about 30,000 in credit card debt at a rate of 29%. It was giving me ulcers. I did use a modified Dave-Ramsey type plan and am now debt free, but that may or may not work for everyone. The key for me was working OT and a second PRN job. Is that something you could do if your husband could do childcare while he is looking to transition? I paid 30k in about 18 months just working about 50hr/week and cutting back on extras. I wish you the best and hope you can get this burden off your shoulders.
Thank you everyone for the great suggestions. :) I'm trying to get out of this psychotically worried and stressed mode, but it is hard.
In regards to joining the military: I tried to join both the navy, and the air force a year later, both rejected me during MEPS due to a ventricular septal defect I had since birth. Upon my last echo, it had closed, but when I again spoke with an air force recruiter, they stated they had tons of applicants and I would most likely not get a medical waiver, they didn't really seem interested in me.
I have no credit cards anymore or car loans, we had already had to file Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It's just the massive student debt that I've acquired.
I have one worry with the VA application (which would repay some of my student loans), they want a letter of recommendation from your last place of employment, I've only worked at that hospital 5 months, and I don't know if my supervisor would give me the recommendation. I'm a good employee, just that my time there has been short, and I know they are going to be upset if I leave for the VA.
As far as my husband working, we have been looking, he's been out of work since 2008 and with ANY job having tons of applicants and many of them require that you have worked in the last year or they wont' even consider you, it's been tough. California has such a high unemployment rate and people are grappling for anything.
As far as moving in with family, it's really not an option.
My mom lives at home with her mother, and my Aunt lives there as well, there is not room, and my Grandma wouldn't allow it. My dad lives with my stepmom's parents in Arizona, a full house as well. And my husband's dad lives in a motel right now with my husbands sister and her two kids. My husband's mother passed away many years ago.
I am trying what I can to get overtime, I'm also hoping to apply for the National Health Student Loan Repayment program, even though that's over 6 months away and I know it's not a guarantee. Everywhere we looked at so far to move while it would put us in a financially better spot, it still won't enable us to come up with the 1,000 dollar a month student loan payments. I realize at this point it's either a government job with a repayment program or a definite second job, if I can find one.
Hey there debt sister!
Our life was going pretty well financially till about five years ago, and it's been one small thing after another since then that have totally snowballed into a *** do I do now? Scenario. Already cut out cable, internet, land line, heck even quit Netflix b/c that was too much. Had a car...POS that it was easier for a family member to give to us than to try and scrap or sell...and now it's dead. And we are not in an area that has even the smallest trace of public transportation.
I'm actually looking into getting a second job since I can't get reliable OT...hubby is a SAHD who also watches a friend's kidlet for $...starting LPN to RN bridge in the spring. I keep vacillating between "if I'd have just gone to a for-profit I'd be done by now" and "Thank God I don't have any more loan debt yet". I'm trying to hang on until I get that RN, which won't magically fix everything but will mean over $1000 a month more for the exact same job I'm at now.
Once the youngest starts school next year hubby can realistically get a part-time job, which will also help. I'd like it if he could do so now, but even though I feel like a bad mommy for admitting it, he does a way better job managing the kid end of things and as the older ones hit teen years I think having a consistent parent "in charge" of that end of things will be better for them. Plus the oldest two are boys, and they just can't bs daddy like they can me.
Sorry so rambly and typo-y...
Hey there debt sister!Our life was going pretty well financially till about five years ago, and it's been one small thing after another since then that have totally snowballed into a *** do I do now? Scenario. Already cut out cable, internet, land line, heck even quit Netflix b/c that was too much. Had a car...POS that it was easier for a family member to give to us than to try and scrap or sell...and now it's dead. And we are not in an area that has even the smallest trace of public transportation.
I'm actually looking into getting a second job since I can't get reliable OT...hubby is a SAHD who also watches a friend's kidlet for $...starting LPN to RN bridge in the spring. I keep vacillating between "if I'd have just gone to a for-profit I'd be done by now" and "Thank God I don't have any more loan debt yet". I'm trying to hang on until I get that RN, which won't magically fix everything but will mean over $1000 a month more for the exact same job I'm at now.
Once the youngest starts school next year hubby can realistically get a part-time job, which will also help. I'd like it if he could do so now, but even though I feel like a bad mommy for admitting it, he does a way better job managing the kid end of things and as the older ones hit teen years I think having a consistent parent "in charge" of that end of things will be better for them. Plus the oldest two are boys, and they just can't bs daddy like they can me.
Sorry so rambly and typo-y...
This made me feel better that I'm not alone. :) I'm sorry about your car, I think that's what made reality hit, when hubby needed a lot of work done on his car and just to replace the ball joints they quoted a grand. We bought the parts ourself and found a mechanic who said he'd do it for 150....just another way to save money. I completely agree that my husband's better at staying at home. He has far more patience with our son than I ever would. I wish he could find work, but it would have to be so much money to make it even worth it, and he has no skill set other than truck driving. And with his arthritis he wouldn't be able to do that anymore. He has a rare type, psoriatic, and is in remission, but they said jobs with the same repetitive motions and sitting on your butt for 15 hours straight is not really healthy, the long shifts 6 days a week is what we're sure caused him to set it off in the first place.
Still hoping for that computer glitch where our debt magically is lost. :)
I also want to suggest that you relocate. Rural places in different states will have a lower cost of living and some hospitals are so desperate for people that they will give you sign on bonuses and loan repayment assistance. One place you might want to look is in Texas along the Mexico border. Look at cities like Brownsville, Laredo, Harlingen, McAllen--anything referencing "The Valley." It's an incredibly poor area but they want nurses.
If you want to stay where you are, get a PRN or Agency job. Don't send your husband to school just because you feel bad.
My heart goes out to the OP and all others who find themselves in a similar situation. In many states, the crushing burden of student loans is even worse since anyone in default cannot renew a professional license. Student loan debt is rising astronomically in the US, and is predicted to become an economic disaster that will make the real estate bust seem like a mere blip.I also feel compelled to clarify the language that is used so often when describing the different types of schools. Please do not refer to commercial (investor owned) entities as "private". Private schools/universities are traditional academic (not for profit) organizations that are not supported by governmental entities. Schools that do have governmental support are called "Public" in the US. The primary goal for commercial schools is profit - just like any other for-profit company. They will continue to charge whatever they can and as long as demand is high, their costs will be also.
There is however quite a difference between private and federal student loans. Many do not realize how much of a difference there is.
FLmomof5
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Here is another option to consider....the US military. With a BSN, you would be commissioned as an Officer (and that is good pay). The military would pay your student loans. Your disabled hubby would have FREE MEDICAL CARE....and a short 4 yrs from now, you would finish your military obligation debt free.