Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?
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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:
I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?
Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.
Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.
Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.
Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.
Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.
I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:
Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.
(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)
The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.
Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.
You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.
Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.
Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.
Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.
Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.
All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.
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References
American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel
ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7
CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u
National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit
NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf
TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf
How about you back up that medical advice with some reasons, studies, anything. Why vitamin c? What's the dose? What does vit c do in the body on a biochemical level? What physiologically does it do for the immune system? What is max threshold for vit c? Can it be toxic? At what levels? What are the side effects? Who is it contraindicated for? What studies have been and what were the outcomes? Does vit c interact with anything else? Is there anything that potentiates vit c? Increases absorption? Decreases absorption? What are different preparations and compounds? Which is best?Your ridiculous advice belays the reality that you have no medical training, you have no understanding of the complexity of the human body on a cellular level. You repeat from rote memory the advice of natural practitioners whose sole purpose is to sell you that vitamin c. I could point you to dozens of studies showing homeopathy is a hoax, vitamin c does nothing for your immune system, and vaccines work. But it would be a waste of my time. You are so focused on the nonsense you "believe" that you can not even begin to understand what you don't know. You won't be able to answer my questions about vitamin c, but you still will not admit that you do not have the knowledge or the education to back up anything you say. You "feel" and you "think" but you do not have the education to understand those things you "feel". That's why people like you ARE dangerous.
It's easy to look up Vitamin C for one's self, it's not a prescribed drug, and I suggested it knowing how well it works for respiratory conditions, and for years. For that one's sake if she were interested enough she would do so.
Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System
http://www.webmd.com/diet/the-benefits-of-vitamin-c
Benefits of Vitamin C - HowStuffWorks
15 ways Vitamin C keeps you healthy and fit! | Read Health Articles & Blogs at TheHealthSite.com
I personally found supplements with bioflavanoids and rosehips were more effective than ascorbic acid alone. That may be why some studies show larger doses used in ascorbic acid. Also, there are more absorbable products, like liposomal now. I would consider that too. IVC can be administered by a doctor or in a hospital if needed as well. Whole food forms can be found in camu camu berry, and rosehips, That may be the most natural and preferable way. Only a 1/4 teaspoon of camu camu berry gives 500 mg of C.
You didn't answer a single one of my questions, because you can't. Telling me "look it up yourself" does nothing to show that you understand what you are talking about. It doesn't matter wether it is a prescribed drug or not. If you don't understanding how (why) something works you have no business making medical suggestions to other people. None.
I personally find 1000 mg a day does well, except in cold weather it varies. Vitamins vary for every unique condition, and there's no set "prescribed" amount that seems to obsess conventionals. It's a vitamin. They're need at different times and different amounts for different people, which, it seems to me, only the person will know for themselves. Some need more, some need less. That's how vitamins go. Sorry if all this irks you. :)
I personally find 1000 mg a day does well, except in cold weather it varies. Vitamins vary for every unique condition, and there's no set "prescribed" amount that seems to obsess conventionals. It's a vitamin. They're need at different times and different amounts for different people, which, it seems to me, only the person will know for themselves. Some need more, some need less. That's how vitamins go. Sorry if all this irks you. :)
Why is this even in the flu thread? You have not provided one bit of evidence.
You do understand that this person will not go away until you stop responding, right?
She is pursuing an agenda. No amount of education is going to "fix" her.
The more you respond, the more ammunition you give her and the larger her online platform grows.
This thread has turned into a farce.
I personally find 1000 mg a day does well, except in cold weather it varies. Vitamins vary for every unique condition, and there's no set "prescribed" amount that seems to obsess conventionals. It's a vitamin. They're need at different times and different amounts for different people, which, it seems to me, only the person will know for themselves. Some need more, some need less. That's how vitamins go. Sorry if all this irks you. :)
you are so very, very, very wrong, and you can't even stop long enough to understand how much you don't know or understand. You don't irk me, you frankly make me more angry than I can even describe. YOU ARE DANGEROUS. You are talking nonsense. You have no idea what vitamin c is or what it does, and yet you continue to offer medical advice left and right based on some interesting Google finds. Just stop already. Stop prentending you have any idea what you are talking about. Stop offering medical advice you have no business offering.
Putting on a moderator hat for a moment:
Ok everyone, let's get back to the topic on hand, which is influenza vaccine. We have veered too far off-course.
If someone would like to make a post about vitamin C and continue the discussion, then please do that, but the original topic here is influenza vaccine.
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Yeah, those fakers during the Spanish Influenza were pretty ridiculous, weren't they?