Talked with California BON; something *can* be done

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I have been bothered by the ban on Excelsior College graduates in California and was afraid there was no other option than to go through another ADN program. I made a call to the California BON and found they do have mercy for recent EC grads after all. They require 360 additional clinical hours that can be completed in several ways. Thank goodness for that.

I think you will be able to find one. Deaconess students are able to arrange preceptors and I think you should also. The insurance may be an issue but perhaps if it is a place you intend to work at they will be more willing to help. It is not like you are a new nurse or had no nursing background. Let us know the options when you find them out so others can be aware that they also have this alternative.

It is actually quite difficult to find a nurse that will preceptor a student when there is no instructor on site. The nurse takes on full legal responsibility for the student, as well as no incentive in pay for it.

When you a student in a "regular" program, you are functioning under your instructor's license, privately you are not. And especially if the school is not located in your state. Remember that a school does not hold a nursing license, only a human can have one. And you are not necessarily covered under the school's either, something that you really need to check out.

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It is actually quite difficult to find a nurse that will preceptor a student when there is no instructor on site. The nurse takes on full legal responsibility for the student, as well as no incentive in pay for it.

When you a student in a "regular" program, you are functioning under your instructor's license, privately you are not. And especially if the school is not located in your state. Remember that a school does not hold a nursing license, only a human can have one. And you are not necessarily covered under the school's liability insurance either, something that you really need to check out.

I do understand all of what you said and agree that it may be difficult but not impossible. I am awaiting LPN's response from the California board as to what all the options are. That would be rather silly that a school hold a nursing license. I hope most of us are aware of that nurses are licensed and schools accredited accordingly :) Liability is a huge issue for any nurse or hospital to undertake, but perhaps if the board mentioned options to her...then they have a few that could work.

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Just a thought but wouldnt working for that many hours in another state as a RN be considered "clinical time". For example dive deeper in to alot of states license laws and you find such a thing for persons licensed in another state prior to NCLEX tryng to get reprocity.

Rj:cool:

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California currently will not offer reciprocity either for a nurse that has started after the cut-off date. Remember that getting a license is not based solely on that you passed the NCLEX exam, but ithat your school is alsoapproved by the BON, and the curriculum is accepted.

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I have been bothered by the ban on Excelsior College graduates in California and was afraid there was no other option than to go through another ADN program. I made a call to the California BON and found they do have mercy for recent EC grads after all. They require 360 additional clinical hours that can be completed in several ways. Thank goodness for that.

CA BON told me the same thing although they said the clinical had to be done concurrently with the theory classes.

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It is actually quite difficult to find a nurse that will preceptor a student when there is no instructor on site. The nurse takes on full legal responsibility for the student, as well as no incentive in pay for it.
That really depends on the hospital. I have done all my clinical for DCN at various hospitals with no clinical instructor and it has worked extremely well not to mention some of the facilites are now considering starting such a program.

When you a student in a "regular" program, you are functioning under your instructor's license, privately you are not. And especially if the school is not located in your state. Remember that a school does not hold a nursing license, only a human can have one. And you are not necessarily covered under the school's liability insurance either, something that you really need to check out.

Good point. As a DCN student we are covered under the schools I am not sure how that works with EC.

Opal

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Good point. As a DCN student we are covered under the schools liability insurance I am not sure how that works with EC.

Opal

Opal,

This is correct we are covered by DCN's , but I also carry my own student nurse liability insurance.

Cheri :)

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Good point. As a DCN student we are covered under the schools liability insurance I am not sure how that works with EC.

Opal

EC students are under their examiners license during the exam. You're not even allowed to be in the patient's room during the exam unless the examiner is in there with you at all times.

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You guys are great! I am a spring DCN hopeful. And I have noticed there are some people around here that have a huge problem with such an innovative program. I wish that certain people on these boards who have these negative issues would just MOB! :) :yeah:

Opal,

This is correct we are covered by DCN's liability insurance, but I also carry my own student nurse liability insurance.

Cheri :)

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The CA BON got back with me today. They say they take each applicant into consideration but these criterion MUST be met for them to do so: the applicant with EC must have enrolled in the school as an LVN and have completed 360 clinical hours at the registered nurse level. They suggested contacting a community college to take just the clinical.

At least it is a start.

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The CA BON got back with me today. They say they take each applicant into consideration but these criterion MUST be met for them to do so: the applicant with EC must have enrolled in the school as an LVN and have completed 360 clinical hours at the registered nurse level. They suggested contacting a community college to take just the clinical.

At least it is a start.

I hope it works out. I have heard on another board that many colleges won't just let you in on their clinicals, but hopefully that is not the case. I wish Excelsior would set up some kind of clinicals there that would meet the boards requirement or allow preceptorship like Washington state. Good Luck!!!

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I talked with the local community college (Motlow State in Tullahoma, TN) and *if* I am a registered nurse in this state I would be allowed to go to their clinicals with them. I don't know how many hours they do at the comm college, I would think more than 360. And at that...does it just have to be any clinicals or do they want OB and OR and all that?

I guess I shouldn't put the cart before the horse, I haven't taken my clinicals yet. But I feel the noose tightening...I take them this coming weekend (Sept. 23-25) I'm starting to get a little scared. I've still got three sets of critical elements to memorize.

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