Staff/Patient Ratio - 30 Patients per Nurse

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In my last job (which I quit due to inadequate staffing), I had 30 patients to take care of, 60 while the other nurse was at lunch. Our CNAs had 10 residents each, sometimes up to 20. The facility was a combination rehab/long-term-care facility. Approximately 1/3 of my residents were also Alzheimers and/or psychiatric residents. These residents required almost continual supervision. Even if I wanted to, there was no way I could do bedmaking, bedpans, etc. :uhoh21: Still, I did do these things when I had to - but that time cut into my required tasks as a nurse.

The third floor of this facility has 60 beds, usually full. Evening shift (3-11) has only TWO nurses - that means each nurse must care for THIRTY residents all by herself. At night there is only ONE nurse caring for all SIXTY residents.

The facility meets the hour/ratio requirements by hiring nurses in administrative positions - and counting any moving body with any type of direct care license (even if they aren't taking care of patients), making it seem like there are more nurses than there actually are. They count anyone licensed to do any type of direct care and who is in the building - regardless of the fact that some of those people are administrators, OT/PT/RT, or other staff that are not providing daily direct patient care.

It is logistically IMPOSSIBLE for one nurse to provide competent, adequate, thorough, and truly compassionate nursing care to 30 residents. You can come in early, leave late, skip all meals and breaks, and still not do the things you should be doing, still not give the care the residents deserve.

The formula used for nurse/patient ratios presents skewed results. Regulatory agencies should look directly at how many nurses are taking care of how many patients at any one time, not including staff that are not providing direct care at that time. I think New Hampshire's ratio is 3.7 hours, and HCFA says that a number below 3.5 hours is insufficient to provide adequate care. Cutting it close, aren't we? Recent recommondations are 4.1-4.6, I believe.

Nurses on that floor, with 30 residents each: pass medications, do wound assessment and care, do treatments, catheters, resident assessments, incoming lab/radiology/consult results, call physicians to relay information and request orders, take new orders, enact those orders, stock, receive pharmacy deliveries, assist residents with ADLs, pass meal trays, feed residents, deal with resident family needs, requests for various assistance by residents and/or other staff, and deal with physicians. They answer the phones, monitor, assist, and supervise CNAs, and do a myriad of other tasks and miscellaneous resident care including but not limited to assessment, monitoring meeting social needs, performing treatments, and providing emergency care.

There is no secretary, unit clerk, charge nurse, or other person to take care of phone calls/faxes/family/orders or the multitude of other tasks necessary behind the scenes (at the nurse's station). A nurse cannot be in the nurse's station, on the telephone, at a med cart, and in a resident room all at the same time!

And of course this doesn't include all of the paperwork and documentation due at the end of the shift. No wonder staff turn over is high and residents receive inadequate care (carefully covered up by administrators and statistics).

At the end of the day, it's the patient that receives inadequate care, it's the nurses that are exhausted, and it's the nurses license on the line should any legal liability result from the care she is unable to give due to inadequate staffing.

Let's see any of the "adminstrators" who are also nurses work the floor for a week and do everything that they continually remind us to do. They can't. Because it's impossible.

I know this for a fact. And I know for a fact that nurses and aides at that facility are signing off on care that they don't actually provide and tasks that they don't actually perform.

30 patients to one nurse is WAY TOO MANY. 20 patients to one nurse is still too many. Hear it from the front lines - in LTC facilities, nurses should have no more than 15 residents - and in hospitals, no more than 5.

Anyone who states otherwise has 1) never worked as a nurse or aide, 2) never been a resident or patient in an understaffed facility, and 3) is not living in reality.

Oh - one final thought. The third floor of that facility, with 60 beds, has only ONE complete set of vital sign equipment! That is ONE tympanogram, ONE oximeter, ONE working BP cuff, NO large or small cuffs, and few if any functioning stethoscopes. No pen lights for neuro checks. No sharps containers in rooms. Only one hand sanitizer dispenser on each hall. In other words, it's BYOE (bring your own equipment). A long list of problems that made it difficult if not impossible to provide good care...

As a new LPN, I took a position in a LTC facility because the hospitals were just not hiring LPNs. I never intended to work there, and for the most part I didn't intend to stay because my goal was to be an ER nurse. I was just passing time until my RN. I had 7 days of orientation on 5 different units. While orienting I found that some Nurses were there just for a paycheck. One nurse bragged that he must have not watched all his TV that night because he finished his work on time. I wasn't privileged to the MARS that night, but I think he passed the 9pm with the 5pms. Normally, he was found in a patients room watching TV.

After my 7 days of orientation, I was put on the floor to care for 24 pts. I was terrified. I kept checking the MARs and asking the CNAs, "This is Mr/Mrs so and so Right?" Half the people didn't have name braclets so that made me even more insecure. I would walk in a room and walk right back out with the pills because the pictures didn't look anything like the person in that bed/chair. One patient had asked "what are all these pills?" after I gave her the cup. I gently took the cup out of her hand to go and check and make sure it was the correct patient, correct pills. etc/ . Of course many of the LTC residents are confused, and of course they were hers. Half way through the pass, I was sweating and thinking I can't handle this stress. These people's lives are in my hands. One error and I could be responsible for someone to suffer. I really felt like just saying I couldn't do this. For a brief moment I even thought of what else could? I was thinking, I don't want to be a nurse anymore --- After only 3 hours of being on my own. I did get through the pass. It was a challenge. The next day I came back and I was dreading it. I couldn't sleep just thinking I hated to go in again. I have never felt that about a job in my life. I did go in. The second day was much better. I was on the same unit and I felt comfortable because the Nurse supervisor working knew I was new and she made me feel like it was ok. That she would be there if I needed,

After much thought, I have come to the realization that maybe this is where I need to be. that there were road blocks for the hospital for me to see where there is a true calling. The stress is horrible, the ratios are terrible, you have some people who just don't care... BUT I CARE. It makes it worthwhile when you see a resident smiling who has been depressed for a while, or they just smile because you walked onto the unit. It has made me rethink my whole educational goals and that what I want to do is work towards better nursing for LTC facilities. If we all said that we would never work in a LTC facility, who would? We need to contact all of our local and state legistlators and let them know what the conditions are. But not just complain, we are smart... we need to offer our opinions of solutions. We can't change things just by saying it's too hard, I'm not gonna work there. Every worthy cause that has been fought and won I'm sure has had major battles and hasn't been easy. It has taken some causes decades to win their battle.

One day it may be my family member lying in that bed, or maybe even myself. If we just shut our eyes to it and expect the next nurse to deal with it, it won't get better, it will probably get worse. So, for all the LTC nurses who stick with it everyday because of the residents :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat. :)

In my last job (which I quit due to inadequate staffing), I had 30 patients to take care of, 60 while the other nurse was at lunch. Our CNAs had 10 residents each, sometimes up to 20. The facility was a combination rehab/long-term-care facility. Approximately 1/3 of my residents were also Alzheimers and/or psychiatric residents. These residents required almost continual supervision. Even if I wanted to, there was no way I could do bedmaking, bedpans, etc. :uhoh21: Still, I did do these things when I had to - but that time cut into my required tasks as a nurse.

The third floor of this facility has 60 beds, usually full. Evening shift (3-11) has only TWO nurses - that means each nurse must care for THIRTY residents all by herself. At night there is only ONE nurse caring for all SIXTY residents.

The facility meets the hour/ratio requirements by hiring nurses in administrative positions - and counting any moving body with any type of direct care license (even if they aren't taking care of patients), making it seem like there are more nurses than there actually are. They count anyone licensed to do any type of direct care and who is in the building - regardless of the fact that some of those people are administrators, OT/PT/RT, or other staff that are not providing daily direct patient care.

It is logistically IMPOSSIBLE for one nurse to provide competent, adequate, thorough, and truly compassionate nursing care to 30 residents. You can come in early, leave late, skip all meals and breaks, and still not do the things you should be doing, still not give the care the residents deserve.

The formula used for nurse/patient ratios presents skewed results. Regulatory agencies should look directly at how many nurses are taking care of how many patients at any one time, not including staff that are not providing direct care at that time. I think New Hampshire's ratio is 3.7 hours, and HCFA says that a number below 3.5 hours is insufficient to provide adequate care. Cutting it close, aren't we? Recent recommondations are 4.1-4.6, I believe.

Nurses on that floor, with 30 residents each: pass medications, do wound assessment and care, do treatments, catheters, resident assessments, incoming lab/radiology/consult results, call physicians to relay information and request orders, take new orders, enact those orders, stock, receive pharmacy deliveries, assist residents with ADLs, pass meal trays, feed residents, deal with resident family needs, requests for various assistance by residents and/or other staff, and deal with physicians. They answer the phones, monitor, assist, and supervise CNAs, and do a myriad of other tasks and miscellaneous resident care including but not limited to assessment, monitoring meeting social needs, performing treatments, and providing emergency care.

There is no secretary, unit clerk, charge nurse, or other person to take care of phone calls/faxes/family/orders or the multitude of other tasks necessary behind the scenes (at the nurse's station). A nurse cannot be in the nurse's station, on the telephone, at a med cart, and in a resident room all at the same time!

And of course this doesn't include all of the paperwork and documentation due at the end of the shift. No wonder staff turn over is high and residents receive inadequate care (carefully covered up by administrators and statistics).

At the end of the day, it's the patient that receives inadequate care, it's the nurses that are exhausted, and it's the nurses license on the line should any legal liability result from the care she is unable to give due to inadequate staffing.

Let's see any of the "adminstrators" who are also nurses work the floor for a week and do everything that they continually remind us to do. They can't. Because it's impossible.

I know this for a fact. And I know for a fact that nurses and aides at that facility are signing off on care that they don't actually provide and tasks that they don't actually perform.

30 patients to one nurse is WAY TOO MANY. 20 patients to one nurse is still too many. Hear it from the front lines - in LTC facilities, nurses should have no more than 15 residents - and in hospitals, no more than 5.

Anyone who states otherwise has 1) never worked as a nurse or aide, 2) never been a resident or patient in an understaffed facility, and 3) is not living in reality.

Oh - one final thought. The third floor of that facility, with 60 beds, has only ONE complete set of vital sign equipment! That is ONE tympanogram, ONE oximeter, ONE working BP cuff, NO large or small cuffs, and few if any functioning stethoscopes. No pen lights for neuro checks. No sharps containers in rooms. Only one hand sanitizer dispenser on each hall. In other words, it's BYOE (bring your own equipment). A long list of problems that made it difficult if not impossible to provide good care...

Sounds like MY facility which I JUST GAVE MY TWO WEEKS NOTICE TO!:lol2: GUESS WHAT?? IF I HAVE TO QUIT NURSING BECAUSE THIS IS MY FUTURE THEN SO BE IT! THEY HAVE TAKEN THE NURSING OUT OF NURSING AND MADE IT INTO A MONEY MAKING BUSINESS FROM HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:

I truely love the residents and if they would make the ratio somewhere near reasonable I would stay, but I just can't take this. I'm looking for a new job tonight. I can't take this stress and it's a crying shame, because I was dedicated to staying with them for the rest of my career, but I can't at this rate, It will kill me. It's so not fair to the people that pay upwards of $85-90,000 a year just for room/board in this for profit place. It's beautiful, but they aren't getting what they bargained for, that's for sure.

I LOVE the residents. If the patient load was not 60:1 med pass and one charge nurse (me) I would stay and really enjoy it.

I need help, I just started a new job about a month ago at a nursing home in Michigan. This is my 1st nursing job I just graduated from school in May. I was promised shift premium, but after I received my 1st check I was told that they only give that to the afternoons shift.

I also will be responsible for 65-72 patients on my own at night. I will be the only nurse on my court. Not to mention the only RN on staff at that time of night. I have no idea what the patient to staff ration is for a nursing home, but there is no way that I will be able to provide quality care to all those patients. I need help, does anyone know where I can find out the patient to nurse ratio for my state (michigan). I am supposed to start on my own on the 13th of this month, and I am thinking about telling them that I don't want to be on midnights making the same amount that I could on days shift with 2 other people to help with the work load. I don't feel comfortable, and this isn't their license that they are putting on the line it's MINE, and I don't think they care...

Any advice would be great thanks soo much for your time..

Where I work there is 1 nurse and 1 cna for 35 residents on nites.. 1 nurse and 4 but many times 3 cnas on pms.. 1 nurse and 4 cnas but at times ends up being 3 that have lists, 1 cna that is a bath aide and 1 cna that is the PT aide. This is all for 35 residents.. sometimes I think they should have another cna on at nite. The nurse many times on nites has to help out the cna quite a bit which ends up that the nurse is there an hr or 2 or more after her shift is done to do her charting. Alot of the residents are hard to move, higher acuity types. On days and pms there is a med aide that passes meds.

I have run into where on day shifts the pt aide gets pulled to work a list because they are short, sometimes this happens quite often so that there can be 4 that have lists. On fri there is no baths and if there isn't a PT aide then I have to split up 35 residents amongst 4 people to get up. Sometimes on fri there isn't any PT or bath aide and only 3 cnas on that I have to split up 35 resident amongst for them to get up in 2 hrs.

Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.

While I LOVE the elderly and feel called to LTC, I had to leave. I couldn't do it. I couldn't handle 30 residents, the phone, the charting, the meds, the treatments, the families, oh and then someone falls or gets sick/has to be transferred... The CNA's and worked like dogs and you feel so bad- how do they get 15 residents up, changed, washed, and dressed I have no idea. They don't have time for the call lights, to fill water pitchers, feed people, etc. So the residents always would call out when they saw me with the med cart begging for a diaper change, bedpan, clean shirt, water, etc. What are you supposed to do? Tell them to wait for an aid, when you KNOW their aid is busy giving a shower or feeding someone else? So if you do it yourself, there goes your meds getting done on time. Or forgo doing a treatment. I couldn't do it and do it well. So I left. I do med/surg and psych now. It is MUCH less stressful for me. I do miss LTC, but not the conditions.

Amen Gooey! aaaaaaammmmmeeenn. But now I am UNEMPLOYED DUE to leaving a floor of 60. :uhoh3: I resigned peacefully and still cannot find a job in a hospital!:yawn:

In my last job (which I quit due to inadequate staffing), I had 30 patients to take care of, 60 while the other nurse was at lunch. Our CNAs had 10 residents each, sometimes up to 20. The facility was a combination rehab/long-term-care facility. Approximately 1/3 of my residents were also Alzheimers and/or psychiatric residents. These residents required almost continual supervision. Even if I wanted to, there was no way I could do bedmaking, bedpans, etc. :uhoh21: Still, I did do these things when I had to - but that time cut into my required tasks as a nurse.

It is logistically IMPOSSIBLE for one nurse to provide competent, adequate, thorough, and truly compassionate nursing care to 30 residents. You can come in early, leave late, skip all meals and breaks, and still not do the things you should be doing, still not give the care the residents deserve.

At the end of the day, it's the patient that receives inadequate care, it's the nurses that are exhausted, and it's the nurses license on the line should any legal liability result from the care she is unable to give due to inadequate staffing.

Let's see any of the "adminstrators" who are also nurses work the floor for a week and do everything that they continually remind us to do. They can't. Because it's impossible.

I know this for a fact. And I know for a fact that nurses and aides at that facility are signing off on care that they don't actually provide and tasks that they don't actually perform.

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Totally agree with everything you have said here! It is why I have made the decision to walk away from nursing for good. I used to be able to look the other way on some things. But you are right, that at the end of the day, it is that patient that receives inadequate care. Once I became that patient, and suffered through inadequate and incompetent care leading to a real medical nightmare, I could no longer look the other way. I needed to stop being part of the problem, the answer for me was to leave nursing. How can the healthcare industry be serious about providing "quality care" with no standard ratios in place? The answer is, they aren't interested in quality care, the bottom line is the almighty $.

This is the exact reason I looked up this site I care for min. of 39 residents for 6hrs then Im responsible for 50 for the last 6 hours and they are complaining that work isn't getting completed on time. I thought the same thing about administration trying to complete the task they give us it is near impossible

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.
I need help, I just started a new job about a month ago at a nursing home in Michigan. This is my 1st nursing job I just graduated from school in May. I was promised shift premium, but after I received my 1st check I was told that they only give that to the afternoons shift.

I also will be responsible for 65-72 patients on my own at night. I will be the only nurse on my court. Not to mention the only RN on staff at that time of night. I have no idea what the patient to staff ration is for a nursing home, but there is no way that I will be able to provide quality care to all those patients. I need help, does anyone know where I can find out the patient to nurse ratio for my state (michigan). I am supposed to start on my own on the 13th of this month, and I am thinking about telling them that I don't want to be on midnights making the same amount that I could on days shift with 2 other people to help with the work load. I don't feel comfortable, and this isn't their license that they are putting on the line it's MINE, and I don't think they care...

Any advice would be great thanks soo much for your time..

Shame, shame, shame on them for doing this to a brand new grad! :mad:

I wish I could tell you the state mandates for Michigan, as I live there as well and was looking for that information myself a few weeks ago. I couldn't find it anywhere, but I can't take my job anymore either. I have 23-32 patients on the 3-11 shift, depending on if someone calls in sick or not, since my facility will not use agency help--it's all on us overworked, burned out nurses who are employed by them. The icing on the cake was when I found out that they pay the lady who does the schedule a bonus for NOT using agency. How in the heck does that show that this facility gives a rat's behind about their residents who are paying around $6,000/month to live there? I am sick about the whole thing. There have been so many falls on our unit lately, and so many unhappy residents and family members, and guess who they hunt down to complain to? Management? Nope, they find the nurse with the med cart and let it rip. I'm done. I am, God willing, going back to the inpatient hospice that I worked at last year because they now have a full time opening where before I was just contingent and didn't earn enough to be financially comfortable.

I wish you the best. I hope that you can get out of that crazy place before you get burned out and turned off to nursing. It just isn't fair to work so hard in school and to pass boards just to walk into something like that. God bless!

Specializes in LTC.

You are describing where I work!!!! Exactly! The part that drives me the most crazy is the vital signs equipment..I don't believe any of the vital signs for our residents are correct! Half the time it doesn't even work. Our facility is remodeling right now as in new flooring and paint and such...But I think they need to get some decent equipment, beds, and staffing!

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.

They can always find money for things like flooring and paint because it's all about appearances. Make the unit look beautiful and modern to draw attention away from the fact that the staffing ratio is inadequate and/or just plain dangerous. Most families will say things like, "This place is so nice and pretty!" and just assume that because it looks good it must be good, and meanwhile they are overlooking the most important aspects of the place, namely safety and quality of care. It's all smoke and mirrors. I have even heard some of the administrative staff at our facility give tours to prospective family members and lie to them about nurse to patient ratios. Disgusting!

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