Skill set of new MSN grads

[Jules A]

This came up in another thread and I thought it would be interesting to continue it. What have been your experiences with new nursing graduates from the accelerated MSN programs? Mine has been overwhelmingly negative. Not saying all new grads who go right for their MSN are deficient but the ones I have worked with have been less competent as new graduates than the ADN and LPN new graduates I have precepted. I even know a girl who just finished a Nurse Practitioner program who has never worked as a nurse! That one hasn't been able to find a job. I'm not blaming the new grad but the administrators of these programs that are selling this swamp land in Florida are doing them a disservice, imo.

[rn2bnwi, BSN, RN]

How can we get that experience if hiring is way down -

How can one be an effective nursing leader if they do not have a firm foundation?

[SummerGarden, BSN, MSN, RN]

furthermre, someone said that they would see nurses who entered a masters level nurse entry program as pretentious. i think that is just the kind of negative attitude the profession doesn't need. i think it's pretentious to pass judgement on someone based just on their degree. as a profession, we can do without this crabs in a barrel attitude. we should be supporting eah other, especially new nurses who will be the future if the profession.

i have an mba and do not think it is pretentious to advance one's self. in fact as i mentioned in another thread, i had to justify myself as a new grad to both my employers during the interview process because of my degree and business background. however, that does not change the fact that we live in the real world where real people make hiring decisions. some employers have a negative attitude toward msn new grads.

it is not right or fair that some employers pass such judgment onto others in our profession (or any other for that matter), but they do. it is also not right or fair that many of my more experienced co-workers speak of msn new nurses as if they have a disease rather then a degree. keep in mind, these are nurses who used to travel and who have worked for many years all over the country. again, in my area, i think the attitude is so negative that it is probably the reason why i have yet to meet an msn new grad at work.

[Mr I Care]

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website. I am so upset, but what goes around comes around. I can bet money that this poster will be venting soon on this website. I can not wait until I graduate so I can prove this ignorant person wrong about ADN nurses.

[llg, PhD, RN]

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website. I am so upset, but what goes around comes around. I can bet money that this poster will be venting soon on this website. I can not wait until I graduate so I can prove this ignorant person wrong about ADN nurses.

I see you are new here. In time, you will see lots of nurses insulting BSN nurses -- and a whole lot of insults aimed at nurses with PhD's. The biases abound in all directions.

Too many nurses feel that ... if their particular career path was good for them ... then people who took another path must be "bad" or "wrong" in some way.

[Agrippa]

Some people here really need to brush up on their reading comprehension. No one is advocating the cnl/msn prepared nurses start in anyhing other than an entry level nursing position. I thought he original poster did a good job making this clear but some people seem to just read the topic title and post away.

llg- I know why you mean. That's what I mean when I say there's a crabs in he barrel atmosphere with the nursing profession.

[Music in My Heart]

DEMSN/CNL grad here... just about to clear orientation.

Personally, I'd put myself up against any other "no-experience" new grad from an ADN or BSN program and I'm confident that I'd hold my own. I've received consistently positive feedback from my clinical instructors, the staff nurses at the clinical sites, my nursing-school clinical preceptor, and the nurses (and CNAs) with whom I now work. While I certainly have much to learn, just like any newbie, I don't think anybody would claim that I'm slow or deficient... just inexperienced. And in conversations with some of the newer (

Perhaps my age has something do with it (mid-40s) or maybe my many years of experience as a professional in another industry have taught me to be a good worker. Perhaps it's that we started our program as CNAs. Perhaps it's that I came out of the military. Perhaps it's that I'm easy to get along with, a hard worker, and a quick learner.

As in all cases, I'd encourage folks to judge candidates as individuals and not label them based on personal biases.

Personally, if I could do it all over again, I'd probably choose a 2nd-degree BSN program over the DEMSN route. Not because of the education but because of the biases against the DEMSN folks.

[Music in My Heart]

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website.

Banned? Yikes.

Remember the "sticks and stones" thing?

If you think someone's speaking from ignorance or bias, educate them or just ignore them. But advocating banning them? Just shaking my head.

[Jules A, MSN]

Originally Posted by ICUdudeKerry

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website.

ICUDUDEKERRY, I'm not sure where you read anything negative about ADNs in this thread.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated and best of luck to all the newbies of whatever program in finding their sea legs.

[Mr I Care]

Originally Posted by ICUdudeKerry

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website.

ICUDUDEKERRY, I'm not sure where you read anything negative about ADNs in this thread.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated and best of luck to all the newbies of whatever program in finding their sea legs.

Ok, maybe I read it wrong, or the way you worded it directed my attention to conclude such remark. Whatever the case may be, I think it is important for us nurses to stick together. I am new to this site , but I noticed a lot controversy amongst nurse of all specialty. I guess what I thought nursing would be like is vague and unrealistic based on some of the story's on this site. I know other people experiences does not reflect my mine, but I just hope I can work with a unified group of nurses ( ADN, BSN and MSN).

[roser13, ASN, RN]

Best way to work with all nurses (especially as a new member) is not to advise banning anyone. Try very hard to work with all types of nurses and all types of mindsets.

[JennyMac]

What does CNL stand for? And DEMSN?

[Jules A, MSN]

Ok, maybe I read it wrong, or the way you worded it directed my attention to conclude such remark. Whatever the case may be, I think it is important for us nurses to stick together. I am new to this site , but I noticed a lot controversy amongst nurse of all specialty. I guess what I thought nursing would be like is vague and unrealistic based on some of the story's on this site. I know other people experiences does not reflect my mine, but I just hope I can work with a unified group of nurses ( ADN, BSN and MSN).

You were talking about my post? Unbelievable. If anything I was saying how skilled the LPNs and ADN new grads that I have precepted have been. FWIW the group I work with are very kind and go out of their way to be helpful to those new grads that are struggling.