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    Top Five Nursing Schools Ranked

    The methodology College Atlas used: http://www.collegeatlas.org/the-a-list-methodology.html To me, this "ranking" means little. People like rankings, it sells magazine and increases view counts on their websites. It doesn't take the most discerning mind to really question the validity of such a ranking. Affordability is this ranking's strongest suit. However it doesn't take into account tuition list price vs actual price based on how much aid the institution gives. Ei. some private schools like NYU, Yale, UPenn may have a lot of money in their endowments and may be able to provide a lot more aid, driving down total cost of attendance. Also, cost of living in the areas are not taken into consideration. Accessibility =/= high quality education. I don't know why anyone thinks that if 80-90% of applicants get accepted that that is a good thing. That tells me that people don't want to go their, they have a huge class size, they have low standards, or a combination of those things. Academic Quality: So the brunt of their metric for gauging this is by using another organization's methodology? They literally say they're going off of USNews report's rankings. If you actually look into the USNew's ranking methodology for Nursing it isn't really that strong either. A lot of sending out surveys for peer academic opinions. I'd be much more interested in seeing rankings based on how much novel research they produce, how much NIH funding they get, what the student attrition rate is, how many students get jobs in nursing at 6months, 9 months, and 12 months post graduation, total cost of attendance, etc.
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    Why do nurses love for profit schools?

    A lot of people's ego's get bruised, but as others have already commented, it comes down to convenience and low standards of admission. People will start throwing in subjective anecdotes of how X practitioner who went to (insert for profit school) is just as good/better Y practitioner who went to Columbia/UPenn/JHU/etc. Its a shame that nursing schools are not as stringent and self regulating as the medical profession is. If you can't get into med school in the US, tough - try harder and be willing to sacrifice by applying to more schools and be willing to move. If you can't you'll have to consider a non-US school where you better bust your ass to be able to match into a competitive residency. I'm afraid that allowing these "universities" (which also sponsor this board ) to keep pumping out practitioners are only going to hurt the perception of NP & nurses in the eyes of the general public.
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    UPenn Direct Entry BSN/MSN 2014

    Thx, this must only be for the accelerated bsn/msn applicants.
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    UPenn Direct Entry BSN/MSN 2014

    What do you guys use to check the status of your application/admission decisions? Is it this? https://app.applyyourself.com/AYApplicantLogin/ApplicantConnectLogin.asp?id=upenn-NURS
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    UPenn Direct Entry BSN/MSN 2014

    Is anyone already a nurse/have their BSN and applying to the MSN program? It seems like there are many who are doing the accelerated bsn/direct entry MSN program but not many who are applying to the various MSN programs.
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    UPenn MSN Applicant Thread

    So I saw that there was a thread for the BSN/MSN direct entry students and wanted to start one for those applying to the MSN portion. Anyone else out there?
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    What is your take home pay as Nurse Practitioner?

    I just want to thank everyone for their participation. This really does help professionals make sure that their compensation is fair and in line with the market in their area. Ignorance of this information is used so much in my region by hospitals to low-ball RNs and NPs alike. Thank you.
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    Question for PMHNPs

    Big part of working in any helping profession and especially in mental health, is working with your own emotions. To be a great practitioner (whether it is as a pmhnp, psychiatrist, Clinical PhD Psychologist, LCSW, etc etc...) you need to know thyself. Be aware of your own emotional life, what is draining, why you feel burnt out, issues that bring about your countertransference, etc. This is why I'm an advocate for all mental health practitioners to undergo some form of psychotherapy themselves at some point in their training. Unfortunately, even for psychiatrists, this is not required. But without it, I feel that theres just too many areas of blind spots - so to speak. This goes for anyone that practices as a psychotherapist, even if it is just for psychopharmacologic treatment. Being able to be aware of and control your own countertransference is very important as is how you deals w/the issue of burnout. Everyone does it differently. How much of your own emotional energy your willing to allocate to your professional life is your decision. Also, keep in mind that treatment even in a psychiatrist's office in an outpt setting is only a sliver of what a PMHNP can do. I highly recommend trying to work on an inpt psychiatric unit where you will get to see a full spectrum of pts from mood disorders to psychotic disorders.
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    Equal pay for equal work?

    I think it all depends on what you want from your life, ei family, whether you're mobile, finances, etc. In terms of finances - it depends on what specialty you want to go to. If you want to do primary care - MDs don't make enough for it would be worth it to go MD route vs NP route. If you want to do surgery, radiology, dermatology, etc - then yes MD will be better route. Over the course of the next 30-40 years of your career, the money and time you spend on an MD education will be offset by the $200k+ you can make depending on specialty. Also as zmansc has said - what else do you have going on in your life? Are you willing to do the 1 or 2 extra years of pre-med classes, 4 years of med school, then at least 4 years of residency? For me, I know what specialty I want to go into and the differences between what an MD and an NP make are not enough for me financially for me to go to medschool. But I do know some people who make the financially irrational decision to go to medschool to be a primary care md because they really...really want to be a "Doctor" - to each their own.
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    On line DNP

    I'm sure there are plenty of Online DNP programs that would love to take your tuition payments. The question is - what is your end goal. They have DNPs for administration as well as for Clinical Practice. Where will you be practicing? If its in Canada, it would behoove you to look up the licensure and certification requirements for Canada...and the Province you're going to practice in for that matter. If its the US - each program has a requirement as to RN licensure pre-DNP (at least for clinical DNPs). Also, make sure your BSN from your Canadian nursing school works.
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    Best schools for DNP-psychiatry?

    Honestly, I don't think there is a great way to determine which programs are great. If you use USNews report's ranking, you'll see that the methodology they use is very...qualitative. Furthermore its an evaluation of the CNS program from 2011 data if I recall. Furthermore, I think that all of my clinical education will be self-directed. Every program will teach you basic health assessment, patho, pharm, "research", etc. But to actually learn how to do proper psychiatric interviews, psychotherapy, psychopharm care etc - you need clinical hours. According to Gladwell, probably close to 10,000 hrs. I would go to a school that has plenty of opportunities for extra-clinical training opportunities. Thats just me. At this point, what I am then most concerned with is - how will where I go to school effect my post-graduate opportunities. The people who hire PMHNPs are usually physicians. Even at my current large research hospital, the psychiatry department tells the hospital's NP Human Resources Dept of their need, and then the Psychiatric Medical Director interviews and hires candidates. Every PMHNP he has hired has gone to a traditional brick and mortar school, they were MSN prepared, and had good experience. When I had a chance to pick the brain of this physician, he highly discouraged any "online" programs. Know your audience. Don't listen to these people on the internet espousing how great the University of Walden or Phoenix University is. I don't care whether they sponsor this website or not. How will the people who will hire your evaluate your graduate education? If you see a candidate from NYU or JHU vs an online school, you can bet the former will be more highly regarded.
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    Credibility of Walden University

    That's my point ...there is no national set standard for NPs for licensure or education for that matter. Some NP programs have 45 credits and 500 hr clinical req, some have double that. Yes, I know that residency disciplines are consistent across each state - that again was my point. The match program also highlights the highly competitive and selective nature of a medical education. Unfortunately, instead of striving to keep standards high and focusing on providing top notch education for anyone to be allowed to call themselves an NP, they've allowed these for profit companies trying to make a buck. Honestly though, no one here is in a great position to tell you how a degree from "XYZ" program will pan out. I find that its very region specific and institution specific. I know some physicians that still think they need to directly supervise NPs who can practice independently in my state, and therefore never even thought of hiring an NP for her practice no matter what school they went to. I know another who is very familiar w/nps but would throw your resume out if it said you got your NP degree from University of Phoenix or Walden University. Its a shame because these for profit businesses operating under the guise of centers for higher education do a disservice to their "customers" and give the really great NP programs and the profession as a whole, a bad name. The medical profession doesn't put up w/that crap in this country. Thats why all these for profit medical schools are in the Caribbean, etc. Its a shame the nursing profession can't do the same.
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    Credibility of Walden University

    Its not a matter of a program's actual quality. I'm sure there are great quality all online programs from non-profit schools. Its a matter of perception of quality by decision makers. Whats very important in terms of jobs and professional respect is whether hospitals, institutions, managers, doctor/administrators and ultimately-patient/clients think (or don't think) online NP programs are high quality professional programs. I think mostly this is d/t the lack of good quality controls and high standards in allowing who can offer these NP programs online (or any nursing program online). It is well known that to be an MD in the USA, everyone MUST go through rigorous post grad education, 4 years of residency and often more years of specialized fellowship, etc. The educational requirements for NPs are so divergent from state to state, school to school. We should at least have some sort of national standard of what it takes to be an NP and be a board certified NP.
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    Credibility of Walden University

    I would never hire an np who received her/his degree from either "University".
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    PHMNP programs going to DNP!?

    My local state university is doing the same - no more MSN prepared NPs anymore. DNP is the only option. Honestly, this is making me consider medschool, but we'll see what the final costs are.
  16. Any suggestions regarding online PMHNP schools that may still be taking applications right now? Thanks!