Skill set of new MSN grads

[Jules A]

This came up in another thread and I thought it would be interesting to continue it. What have been your experiences with new nursing graduates from the accelerated MSN programs? Mine has been overwhelmingly negative. Not saying all new grads who go right for their MSN are deficient but the ones I have worked with have been less competent as new graduates than the ADN and LPN new graduates I have precepted. I even know a girl who just finished a Nurse Practitioner program who has never worked as a nurse! That one hasn't been able to find a job. I'm not blaming the new grad but the administrators of these programs that are selling this swamp land in Florida are doing them a disservice, imo.

[Mr I Care]

Best way to work with all nurses (especially as a new member) is not to advise banning anyone. Try very hard to work with all types of nurses and all types of mindsets.

That was kinda harsh, but even you concluded something different ( "Wow") after reading this post. So, I guessed the wording confused me and lead me to think that the poster was saying, " less competent as the LPN and ADN nurses she precepted."

[Music in My Heart]

What does CNL stand for? And DEMSN?

CNL = Clinical Nurse Leader (a curriculum and certification that encompasses quality control, research, finance, leadership, and advanced clinical science).

DEMSN = Direct-entry Master of Science in Nursing (for folks that hold BA/BS degrees in other fields)

[Mr I Care]

You were talking about my post? Unbelievable. If anything I was saying how skilled the LPNs and ADN new grads that I have precepted have been. FWIW the group I work with are very kind and go out of their way to be helpful to those new grads that are struggling.

O ok cool, I thought otherwise. Thanks for the clarification.

[BCgradnurse, MSN, RN, NP]

When I initially read this post I did not notice the deprecitive remark the poster stated against ADN nurses. I never heard a nurse bad talk another nurse simply because they had a BSN. This person needs help and should be banned from this "all nurses" website. I am so upset, but what goes around comes around. I can bet money that this poster will be venting soon on this website. I can not wait until I graduate so I can prove this ignorant person wrong about ADN nurses.

Kerry,

There is an awful lot of bashing on this website by some very ignorant people. I am amazed at how cruel nurses can be to other nurses!! It's not just against ADN nurses. Read this thread again...look at all the bashing of MSN grads!!! As a grad of a DE MSN program, I've taken a lot of crap from supposedly intelligent people who have never met me, never seen me work, and know nothing about me. But because I'm a DE grad who works as an NP without (gasp!) RN experience, it's automatically assumed by some that I'm incompetent and don't know what I'm doing. However, my boss thinks I rock, my patients don't die in my care and actually get better (imagine!), I'm happy with me......that's all I need. Yes, I am a novice, but so are new grads in any field. I've tried to share my experiences so others who think about going this route can get some support and encouragement, but I've been overwhelmed by the rancor of other nurses who are close minded and refuse to consider that there are many paths to nursing, some of which are untraditional. If you've had bad experiences with new grads, be they DE, ADN, MSN, BSN ,then you can back up your feelings with facts and I respect that. But for those who just have the idea stuck in their heads that certain paths or degrees are "bad", you're just full of hot air.

[applern]

What do you mean by this? I have worked with some very sharp new grads that were ADNs and LPNs.

@Jules A.

What kind of degree do you have?

Truthfully

[sunny d]

I don't understand why people seem to have trouble with people getting an advanced degree to work in some capacity as a nurse. without having prior bedside experience. Don't medical doctors start out with an advanced degree when they do their internship or residency (don't know which comes first)? Why wouldn't advanced degree nurses with little to no experience be allowed to do some kind of an internship or residency instead of being required to gain experience first as a an RN? Nobody expects medical doctors to work their way up from something like being an orderly first (no offense to orderlies!!! and also not to imply that nurses are like orderlies, I'm just a student who assumes that everyone is trying their best to do a good job at whatever level they are at!!!)

Also, if being a degreed nurse (no matter what level) is nearly worthless until job experience is obtained, why isn't the academic world doing a better job (at every level of nursing) to graduate nurses who are able to hit the road running once they graduate? Many other professions graduate people who are able to excel as new grads without requiring years of newbie experience.