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Sick and tired of the AAS BSN debate

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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only in nursing is this a issue. one level of entry for professional practice = no arguments over which is better.

*** That seems a very high price to pay to me. I prefer to have multiply entry points and if the price of that is that occasionally we have to listen to these arguments then so be it.

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klone has 14 years experience as a MSN, RN and specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

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Wow than you have to be rich then,cause the last time I check getting your BSN is much more expensive.

No, you don't have to be rich. You just have to have a fulltime job and be smart with your money. It IS possible to pay out of pocket for a degree.

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klone has 14 years experience as a MSN, RN and specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

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good luck getting a job at a academic medical center

I have an ADN and I work at a very well-respected university medical center. And it's even a Magnet (twice!). A good 30% of the nurses in my unit are ADN RNs.

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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good luck getting a job at a academic medical center

I work at an academic medical center. We have Magnet (whoop-ti-do). I have a BSN but I didn't when they hired me. We have a 7 month nurse residency for new grads going into speciality units and we don't even hire new grad BSNs into the residency for the SICU, ADN only. The SICU is the feeder unit for the transport service so most of our flight and ground transport nurses are ADNs.

Except for the SICU I can't tell any preference for one degree or another in hiring.

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I was told from faculty that was the time the NCLEX started changing things up, the students who took that exam weren't as well prepared.

Can we put the pitch forks down for a moment, and if we dont have anything positive to add then keep our opinions to ourselves? Thanks for going through the trouble of googling, I wish I had just as much free time to browse through someones profile ...not to do any good with it, but to use it 'against them'

OK SO second toughest nursing program in the country, LOL can we move on from that?

We could play a drinking game for everytime I use the word SO and LOL

I will try and cut down (LOL)

Again thanks to those who have similar stories, or words of wisdom ...or just your two cents in general!!

I shared my story with an old classmate, she went through the same thing during clinical last week! So it happens often I guess, I told her the same thing I told myself. We just have to let our work do the talking.

Wikipedia called back, they said they will make a page about it if it'll help my story. LOL (bad habit) :clown:

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SummitRN has 8 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

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There are lots of good BSN and ADN programs. There are lots of questionable BSN and ADN programs. What I CANNOT stand are these attitudes:

1. ADNs are not good enough.

2. My nursing program is the better than almost everyone else's, but I have nothing to back it up.

3. BSNs are for rich kids and offer nothing extra.

Thanks for going through the trouble of googling, I wish I had just as much free time to browse through someones profile ...not to do any good with it, but to use it 'against them'

I fail to see how checking your claim is an attempt "use it against you." Further, finding the information I did took considerably less time than it took you to write your response to it. ;)

I was told from faculty that was the time the NCLEX started changing things up, the students who took that exam weren't as well prepared.

OK SO second toughest nursing program in the country

The statistics from the link posted (NYS Nursing:Nursing Programs:RN NCLEX Results: 2008-2012) show NCC has average pass rates for a NY state ADN program and slightly below average nationally. They are all taking the same test.

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Oh it was written in stone some where sorry, dont have the link to show you.

Again, what does this have to do with the original post? Will you sleep better tonight if I told you Im sorry you were right. NCC is not the best nursing program in the country. Better?

Goodnight :clown:

We're going in circles, so I'm not really going to add anything from this point forward. Toodle Loo!

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SummitRN has 8 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

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You are very upset that someone would make sweeping claims against all ADNs despite the evidence. I find that upsetting too.

I also find it upsetting that you made sweeping claims without anything to back it up. You don't seem to be able to see the similarity in circumstance...

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You made your point, apparently I made someone feel like they were 2 inches tall in a room full of 20 people, by alleging I graduated from the toughest program and for that I apologize.

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nursel56 has 25+ years experience and specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

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I understood that one advantage of getting a BSN was the emphasis on more than just tasks, but communication skills and comprehending what is actually being said by someone, therapeutic listineing or whatever they choose to call it. If that's true, then this never would have been turned into yet another ******* contest. Over and out.

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There are lots of good BSN and ADN programs. There are lots of questionable BSN and ADN programs. What I CANNOT stand are these attitudes:

1. ADNs are not good enough.

2. My nursing program is the better than almost everyone else's, but I have nothing to back it up.

3. BSNs are for rich kids and offer nothing extra.

I fail to see how checking your claim is an attempt "use it against you." Further, finding the information I did took considerably less time than it took you to write your response to it. ;)

The statistics from the link posted (NYS Nursing:Nursing Programs:RN NCLEX Results: 2008-2012) show NCC has average pass rates for a NY state ADN program and slightly below average nationally. They are all taking the same test.

Some BSN school are for the rich school,I know a private university that charges 120,000 for four years,however all of the students will get hired within 6 months after graduation,bad economy or not,school has a very good reputation,would I enroll?! No,never for that kind of money,right now I'm starting RN-to BSN program I will be paying around 33,000 for this program and I might do master,that is a whole lot for me but 120,000 is way too much,I how reputable it is,unless it is med school or law school.

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SummitRN has 8 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

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Some BSN school are for the rich school,I know a private university that charges 120,000 for four years,however all of the students will get hired within 6 months after graduation,bad economy or not,school has a very good reputation,would I enroll?! No,never for that kind of money,right now I'm starting RN-to BSN program I will be paying around 33,000 for this program and I might do master,that is a whole lot for me but 120,000 is way too much,I how reputable it is,unless it is med school or law school.

Of course there are always some massively overpriced private programs, many of which do NOT even offer the benefits of the school you mentioned (particularly for-profits). Of course, there are also plenty of public BSN programs that cost less than 33,000 for the final two years (you do the first two at CC).

I went to a CC for my prereqs and paid less than $3000 for my AS degrees (NOT in nursing). I'm attending a private (non-profit) BSN program, but I will be debt free on graduation from a baccalaureate education that will cost me less than $20,000 due to:

1. Grants

2. Scholarships

3. Working during school

4. Saving up before school

So I get irritated when people people say stuff like:

Wow than you have to be rich then,cause the last time I check getting your BSN is much more expensive.

In response to someone saying they graduated from BSN programs debt free. I resent the attitude that BSN entry is only for the rich or those who want mountains of debt.

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