Should patients be allowed to refuse LPNs and CNAs?

Nurses LPN/LVN

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Last night on our med/surg unit, we had an elderly woman who was in wiht consitpation. Very stable patient, vitals within normal limits, fairly negative past medical history, no home meds, independent with ADLs...again, a very stable patient. No BM for 8 days...came in to ER via private vehicle with complaints of abdominal pain.

We are a small rural hospital, average patient census of 10. Last night we had nine patients. This woman decided that she did not want any LPNs or CNAs in her room. OK...we try to accomodate such requests, but on nights like this, we have one RN on med/surg and one in ER. ER was pretty busy, so the ER nurse did not have time to come to the floor to help. Other than the charge RN, we had two LPNs and one CNA...staffing well above what we normally have. Certainly, the RN had time to care for this patient, but this woman didn't even want the CNA or one of the LPNs to do the simple things like taking her vital signs, refilling her water pitcher, or emptying her commode. So...the RN not only was charge over 9 patients, but had to do all cares for this patient, simply because she did not want anyone but an RN.

I agree 100% that there should be an RN available for all patients, but not all patients require an RN as their primary nurse. In a small rural area like this one, sometimes you have to take an LPN, especially if you are stable and have a predictable outcome. Had we been busier or had an unstable patient, would we have been out of line to explain to this patient that there was an RN available if anything unexpected happened, but that due to staffing reasons, her assigned nurse would be an LPN? This happens every now and then and usually we are able to accomodate the requests of RNs only, but what about when we just can't do it?

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.

I do pay the bill, because I earn that insurance coverage as part of my pay. My ins. co. and I fight a lot over what they want to pay and what they end up paying, because I usually win! :chuckle

A patient can refuse whatever they want.

A patient can refuse whatever they want.

ancient post. but should the facility be excpected to comply to the patient's demands? I can get wanting a RN over a LPN over all , to a degree but demanding that an RN answer all the call bells, vitals etc. IS BS.

A patient can refuse whatever they want.

Why did you even dredge this thread up?

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

Several years-old threads dredged up, all on the same theme.

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.
A patient can refuse whatever they want.

yes they can. But that may mean they have to wait quite a while for their choice of caregiver to be available. They don't get to dictate how an RN sets her priorities or change what, how and when she does her work.

Specializes in PDN; Burn; Phone triage.
Why did you even dredge this thread up?

People the poster is apparently obsessed with people not putting tubes in her private bits. No foleys, ever!

Ah, a special snowflake!

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