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Should I quit?

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I am thinking of giving up.

Not nursing- I like nursing. Covid isn't going to make me quit. I have retooled my life to fight. Staying fit, commuting in a vehicle I can camp in with extra scrubs, strict systems to keep it out of the house......... You guys know the drill.

I am trying to motivate nurses on this forum to take action on an issue there seems to be a consensus on- pay for nurses who contract Covid 19. But, I am thinking of giving that up.

I did something really cool. And I was hoping to show folks here that there is something they can do about an issue everybody seems quite happy to vent and be indignant about.

I got a corporation with three hospitals to revert it's position on sick pay for Covid infect employees. It got a big crew back pay, and will help many in the future. Link below.

Wuzzie posted it. I was psyched, and hoped it would stimulate folks to do something other than express outrage here, in a spot where everybody already agrees.

I am pushing this in a few ways, including contacting both of my senators, my congressional representative, and all three networks. So- should I give up here, or is there some other, more productive way to use this forum?

Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Anything I could do differently that would motivate nurses to speak up?

Personally, I am all set. Financially stable, wife still working, and now I am covered, at least for two weeks. Any thoughts?

dinah77, ADN

Specializes in Tele, OB, public health. Has 8 years experience.

I think there is a mentality shift that needs to happen in nursing before more of us start to stand up for ourselves and demand better working conditions.

Just look at all the responses on here from the martyr types who are pushing that harmful "you signed up for this you should be willing to die for you patients" mentality

as long as that persists, why would we demand better for ourselves? I'm a angel-martyr-healer- please, fetch me my cross

Sincerely though, it's incredibly frustrating- I'm not an angel, I'm a highly educated highly-skilled professional who is compassionate, works hard, and expects good pay and protection in return.

I really do think that is the biggest stumbling block for our profession- martyrs are supposed to suffer first, and LIKE IT 🙄

Well, they don't seem to like it. They vent about it. And accept it.

dinah77, ADN

Specializes in Tele, OB, public health. Has 8 years experience.

2 hours ago, hherrn said:

Well, they don't seem to like it. They vent about it. And accept it.

Nobody should accept it

theoneandonly

Specializes in RN. Has 5 years experience.

This pandemic is just warming up. We haven't hit peak levels yet. When we do reach peak levels, around late April and mid may, I predict a mass exodus of HCW's from hospitals, nursing homes, and so on. You already here stories on the news about nurses quitting b/c of a lack of PPE or refusing to work b/c of short staffing or both, or getting fired or suspended for speaking out about the unsafe working conditions. Again, we are just in the beginning of all this chaos.

Back to my question-

What would it take to motivate people on this forum to take action?

I don't even mean to put their own butts on the line. I mean to put as much energy into actually doing something about it as they put into talking and venting about it.

What if 1000 nurses spent 1 hour each writing public officials, contacting local papers, and talking to donors?

If there is one thing this forum demonstrates it's that people have plenty of keyboard time right now.

I completely agree w/ you and was also disheartened to see the original post you're talking about garner approximately zero response.

It's all about marketing. Sad but true. Make the title of the post sexy like you did on this one. Drama is click bait. I don't have a suggestion because I can't think of an exciting way to put - "Shocker - You actually deserve to be paid if you contract COVID-19 while working bedside".

Maybe "Management are scumbags that will screw you in every way you let them so don't let them"?

Seriously though - make a change.org petition for this issue and post links to it here every day. If it's easy to sign the petition people might do it. If it gets enough signatures, send an explanation email and link to the petition to various media outlets. Hopefully, we'll see you on the news soon.

When I was brand new to nursing and still in the process of getting my rose colored glasses shattered, I distinctly remember being perplexed when the veteran nurse who complained strongly about certain things in the workplace kept her lips zipped at a meeting held by our DON to elicit complaints and suggestions to resolve issues. Not one word came out of her mouth. When forced layoffs occurred soon after, not surprising that she was not downsized out, in spite of her poor opinion of the place. After that I avoided her complaining. After the critical opinions and actions, no doubt those who made those complaints and “did what they had to do” will be near the front of the line to get everything positive to be had. That seems to be part of the way of the world. I think very very few would be willing to help with this.

7 minutes ago, caliotter3 said:

no doubt those who made those complaints and “did what they had to do” will be near the front of the line to get everything positive to be had.

Yep. I'm in management, trust me when I say that management cares inasmuch as it doesn't affect their extra slice of the pie.

Advocating for something that would cost their organization serious money could definitely alter the trajectory of their career. This holds true for bedside nurses as well.

To be clear, this is true in all BUSINESSES. Healthcare is a business in America. Even the "non-profits" top people are making millions a year. Again, healthcare is a business like any other in America. This should not surprise anyone.

2 hours ago, eerrmm said:

Yep. I'm in management, trust me when I say that management cares inasmuch as it doesn't affect their extra slice of the pie.

Advocating for something that would cost their organization serious money could definitely alter the trajectory of their career. This holds true for bedside nurses as well.

To be clear, this is true in all BUSINESSES. Healthcare is a business in America. Even the "non-profits" top people are making millions a year. Again, healthcare is a business like any other in America. This should not surprise anyone.

Yup. There goes my corner office. On the bright side, I actually hit the apex of my career when I graduated and was hired as a staff nurse in ER.

But- this can be dome anonymously. The reporter I dealt with did not require an attributed quote, but told me the story would be far more effective.

Contacting politicians won't get back to admin.

And, I really think donors would be an awesome source of help.

2 hours ago, eerrmm said:

I completely agree w/ you and was also disheartened to see the original post you're talking about garner approximately zero response.

It's all about marketing. Sad but true. Make the title of the post sexy like you did on this one. Drama is click bait. I don't have a suggestion because I can't think of an exciting way to put - "Shocker - You actually deserve to be paid if you contract COVID-19 while working bedside".

Maybe "Management are scumbags that will screw you in every way you let them so don't let them"?

Seriously though - make a change.org petition for this issue and post links to it here every day. If it's easy to sign the petition people might do it. If it gets enough signatures, send an explanation email and link to the petition to various media outlets. Hopefully, we'll see you on the news soon.

For titles, I thought of:

Covid forced me into abstinence

My boyfriend left me for a non-covid nurse.

Safe sex in the age of Covid

1 hour ago, hherrn said:

Contacting politicians won't get back to admin.

Probably not but if it's local politicians and enough nurses contacted them it, it might.

41 minutes ago, hherrn said:

For titles, I thought of:

Covid forced me into abstinence

My boyfriend left me for a non-covid nurse.

Safe sex in the age of Covid

Number 2 is a winner. Everyone is going to click on that.

11 minutes ago, eerrmm said:

Probably not but if it's local politicians and enough nurses contacted them it, it might.

What I meant was identity would be protected.

11 minutes ago, hherrn said:

What I meant was identity would be protected.

Oh, I see. Yes, I agree with you. The politicians would be raising it as a general concern if they received enough emails not naming names.

dinah77, ADN

Specializes in Tele, OB, public health. Has 8 years experience.

First, you need to organize. All the individual nurses cannot do what a labor union can. I'm so happy to be union, particularly now. There is a team of people who have done nothing, full-time but advocate for more PPE , and keeping our employers accountable for all aspects of this pandemic
As a result of our union, we had a major victory here in MN three days ago-

A state law passed that says any HCW, who has direct patient contact is entitled to full workman's comp if they are out of work for covid, either confirmed or suspected quarantines.

This is a huge victory- previously, all of our hospitals were arguing we were not entitled to this (as are most places around the country) as we would not be able to prove that we got it at work

The law says that the employers have to prove we didn't get it at work.
And if they cannot prove it, they must pay out full compensation for the total length of time we are out of work

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't speak up- I still make calls a minimum of 3x week to all my local politicians, national, and my governor..

But for God sake's people, if you are not union, start working on that too

I can promise you that at the end of all of this, all the union nurses are going to come out on the other side much better than non-union

Edited by dinah77

pixierose, BSN, RN

Specializes in ED, psych. Has 4 years experience.

11 hours ago, hherrn said:

Back to my question-

What would it take to motivate people on this forum to take action?

I don't even mean to put their own butts on the line. I mean to put as much energy into actually doing something about it as they put into talking and venting about it.

What if 1000 nurses spent 1 hour each writing public officials, contacting local papers, and talking to donors?

If there is one thing this forum demonstrates it's that people have plenty of keyboard time right now.

I missed your first thread ... as it’s getting busier and busier I take quicker and quicker glances at the threads and then I’m on my way.

I’m heavily involved in the Sandy Hook Promise, and was right from the beginning. That involved countless letter writing to our public officials and papers, etc. It took a dedicated group of people and those grief stricken families to say, “no more.” But it took so much work.

I like the idea of writing ... because that’s how we started at first. You get organized. And it snowballs from there. I’m willing to do that, and as we are now walking right into the worst of it right now in several areas of the country, writing is something we can do. At the moment, it’s the little bit that I CAN do, until this surge passes.

And not even start a new thread. Hell, create a new section where we can go where it won’t get lost in the midst. Create that sexy title, and lets go. Start getting organized. Organize by state - here are your congressman. Start by little goals. Etc

Edited by pixierose

Maybe I should have used "dream job" in the thread title.