Should Hospitals Rehire LPNs/LVNs?

It's said that the pendulum swings, and healthcare is certainly no exception to that old adage! Is the pendulum swinging in favor of hiring LPNs and LVNs back to the hospital setting? Nurses General Nursing News

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  1. Should Hospitals Rehire LPNs/LVNs?

    • 87
      Yes
    • 18
      No
  2. Do you think hiring LPNs/LVNs is the answer to the nursing shortage?

    • 47
      Yes
    • 57
      No

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One large healthcare system, Allegheny Health Network in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, has decided to do just that-bring LPNs back to address the staffing crisis.

Note: LVNs (licensed vocational nurses) and LPNs (licensed practical nurses) are the same, but they are called LVNs in CA and Texas. The author speaks from a California perspective and experience.

LPNs/LVNs Pushed Out

Back in the '80s and '90s, LPNs and LVNs worked alongside RNs in all areas of the hospital, including ICUs. Things began to shift in the 90s and 2000's as research showed that better patient outcomes were achieved by BSN-prepared nurses than by non-BSN-prepared nurses. Hospitals, in general, were requiring RNs to have higher education.

In the early 2000's, hospitals began to phase out LPNs and LVNs. In looking at whether hospitals should hire LPNs/LVNs back, it's important to clarify their role and scope of practice.

Difference Between LPNs/LVNs vs RNs In The Hospital

Based on training and licensure, the scope of practice for LPNs/LVNs varies from state to state, but an RN's scope of practice is broader than an LPN's or LVN's scope of practice in every state. 

For example, California's Code of Regulations Title 22 states that patients must be assessed by a Registered Nurse every shift. California hospitals attempted to stay on the right side of Title 22 by parsing language and forcing RNs to "co-sign" LVNs' assessments. When an LVN performed an assessment, it was called "collecting data.” When an RN performed the same assessment, it was called...well, an assessment.

RNs were put in the position of signing their name and license to assessments they did not perform. Unless they followed each patient and listened to breath sounds themselves, they couldn't, in all honesty, co-sign "breath sounds normal.”

RNs were also well over nurse-patient ratios. They had their own 5-6 patients and had to "cover" the LVN's 5-6 patients as well. The difference between "covering" and "being responsible for" was never that clear.

In some facilities, covering an LVN meant the RN was assigned to administer whatever IV fluids, IVP medications, or IV antibiotics the LVN was not licensed to administer. RNs also had to field all the provider calls. LVNs could take a doctor's order by phone but only for orders that fell under their scope of practice. No doctor wanted to give a partial set of orders to an LVN and then wait for an RN to get on the phone to take the rest of the orders for IV antibiotics. All of which led to workflow inefficiencies.

Despite some things they are not licensed to do, LPNs/LVNs can do a great, great deal. They can insert nasogastric tubes, foleys, and IVs. They can administer tube feedings, and hang blood and IV fluids if there is no additive, such as potassium. 

Sandy and Belinda, LVNs

Sandy was an LVN who was about to be let go by her hospital until her nurse manager creatively intervened. Sandy was offered an 8 hr position, working from 1100-1930. Reporting to work at 1100, she immediately rounded on all the RNs to get a list of treatments and procedures. Sandy performed all the pre-lunch fingersticks and administered all of the insulin coverage. She did all dressing changes. It was a telemetry floor in a hospital with a busy cath lab, and she pulled all the femoral sheaths.

Because of her bespoke hours, she helped to cover lunches and even covered the floor during shift report from 1900-1930.

Knowing that Title 22 stipulates that patient teaching and patient assessments are solely the domain of RNs, Sandy's manager made sure she did not take a patient assignment, perform assessments, do patient teaching, or create care plans. In Sandy's case, her manager carved out a job that used her to the top of her license. Many LPNs/LVNs were not so fortunate.

Belinda worked as an LVN in a medium-sized California hospital on MedSurg. She had worked there for two decades when the hospital decided to do away with LVNs. She was given the choice of going back to school immediately for her RN or staying on as a nursing assistant. Belinda was dismayed. She had no interest in going back to school at that time in her life or starting over in a skilled nursing facility. She was demoted to a nursing assistant.

Where did LPNs/LVNs go?

Many LPNs/LVNs left acute care to secure employment in sub-acute facilities, namely skilled nursing facilities. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor, LPNs work in nursing and residential care (35%), hospitals (15%), physician's offices (12%),  home healthcare services (14%), and in the government 7%.

Maybe now the time is ripe for hospitals to hire LPNs/LVNs back.

The Old Team Nursing

Is this a revival of the old team nursing? Yes and No. 

Claire Montgomery Zangerle, CNE of Allegheny Health Network, says bringing LPNs back into hospitals is not a one size fits all proposition.

LPNs/LVNs may work well in MedSurg, for example,  but not in ICU. Some hospitals are finding that LPNs/LVNs are a good fit for the less acute (fast track) sections of ED.

Using LPNs/LVNs to the top of their licensure makes all kinds of sense if it is done right. RNs will need to be educated on how to delegate within their BRN/BON regulations.

Hopefully, hospital leadership will be able to see the tremendous resource...that's always been there.

Are hospitals beginning to hire LPNs/LVNs back? Do you think they should? Are LPNs/LVNs the answer to the nursing shortage?

Specializes in Home Health,Peds.

I'm DO not buy for one bit that there is a shortage of RN's. Hospitals are doing this because it's cheaper for them than to pay RN's adequate wages.

I don't mind Lpn's at all, but why don't hospitals consider hiring ADN RN's? 
In my area, RN's with a diploma or ADN are still not considered for hospital/ acute care  employment. 

Specializes in CEN, Firefighter/Paramedic.
Googlenurse said:

I'm DO not buy for one bit that there is a shortage of RN's. Hospitals are doing this because it's cheaper for them than to pay RN's adequate wages.

I don't mind Lpn's at all, but why don't hospitals consider hiring ADN RN's? 
In my area, RN's with a diploma or ADN are still not considered for hospital/ acute care  employment. 

I've looked at the RN to BSN curriculum I'm about to start.  I've talked to my friends who have recently finished their BSN.  I've read the countless threads on here.

BSN adds literally nothing to day to day clinical practice.  You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Specializes in Tele, ICU, Staff Development.
FiremedicMike said:

I've looked at the RN to BSN curriculum I'm about to start.  I've talked to my friends who have recently finished their BSN.  I've read the countless threads on here.

BSN adds literally nothing to day to day clinical practice.  You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

When I got my BSN, it opened my mind. I really loved the process. It helped me to be a better thinker. I'm all in favor of higher education.

Specializes in CEN, Firefighter/Paramedic.
Nurse Beth said:

When I got my BSN, it opened my mind. I really loved the process. It helped me to be a better thinker. I'm all in favor of higher education.

I love higher learning.  My BSN will be my second bachelors and I will probably get a masters as well. 

That said, you will never see me on these forums or in real life insisting that a BSN nurse provides better care than an ADN nurse.

Specializes in Med/surg,orthopedics,emergency room,.

" Even though technically I was senior to them" therein lies the problem. Most of what I have read isn't really welcoming . Guess you all Forgot that Lpn/LVNS must study, sit boards and do clinicals. You 

Specializes in CEN, Firefighter/Paramedic.
payitforward said:

" Even though technically I was senior to them" therein lies the problem. Most of what I have read isn't really welcoming . Guess you all Forgot that Lpn/LVNS must study, sit boards and do clinicals. You 

Friendly observation from my side of the world.

Our best LPNs put their scrubs on, tie their shoes, and dive right into the crap-show with the rest of us, doing everything they are allowed to do, so that patients are taken care of and moved through the system.

The worst ones in our department have a huge chip on their shoulder are constantly mouthing off that they get treated like lower class citizens because they are LPNs, that they only get asked to do menial tasks because they are LPNs, that they're nothing more than glorified techs because.. you get it.  Out of everyone in the department, they are the ones who are the most aggressive at avoiding tasks that they feel are beneath them. 

The good ones are respected, trusted, and treated like the colleagues they are.  The bad ones are universally known to be lazy and annoying.

Don't be the letters after your name.

Specializes in Med/surg,orthopedics,emergency room,.

Thank you, which is the point I'm trying to address.

Specializes in Home Health,Peds.
payitforward said:

" Even though technically I was senior to them" therein lies the problem. Most of what I have read isn't really welcoming . Guess you all Forgot that Lpn/LVNS must study, sit boards and do clinicals. You 

Question: Do you consider yourself senior to a CNA? What about an MD?

I see NP as my seniors. They are also have a broader scope than I do. 

I'm just not seeing the problem. 

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.

RIght before I became an NP, my hospital was talking about bringing back LPNs because RNs refused to work in such terrible conditions.

I am probably going to get chewed out, but I would rather the hospitals focus on improving the problem (nurse/patient ratios, pay, poor management, violent/disrespectful patients, ridiculous JCAHO) so that more RNs will return to the bedside than force the RNs that are at the hospital to supervise LPNs.

The minute management started saying we would have an LPN for 10 patients was the minute I realized I made the right decision to leave bedside. 

Specializes in orthopedic/trauma, Informatics, diabetes.
RNperdiem said:

I work in an academic medical center and magnet hospital that puts a lot of emphasis on BSN (or higher) and certifications.

So do I, and they are hiring LPNs right now. Travelers are just too expensive at the level at which they are being used. I am a little worried about the newer grads and the positions they may be put in unknowingly. 

Specializes in Home Health,Peds.

I voted no, but it's based on my opinion that hospitals are doing this because they do not want to hire ADN Registered Nurses, who can command the same pay as a BSN RN. 
Just think, if hospitals hired ADN Rns we wouldn't need to co-sign and push their IV meds for them.
 

Hospitals are trying to be cheap. 
Do hospitals really think there are more Lpns than ADN and Diploma RN's? 

Specializes in Operating Room , Home Care Nurse , Nurse Educator.

I started in this field as a Porter . Made my way up to BSN. Each step which included a certificate in my specialty-LPN-RN- BSN. Now working on MS in HIT. Also had a BS in another Major! I worked Homecare as an LPN . I had Trach and Vent patients my entire 8 years as an LPN. Learned billing as well. I've worked in multiple Hospitals. LPNs are needed back in some Units ,yes! CNAs and LPNs help tremendously. In bedside care . Now as for having them sign a contract to become RNs PAs etc. is another topic .