Should Hospitals Rehire LPNs/LVNs?

It's said that the pendulum swings, and healthcare is certainly no exception to that old adage! Is the pendulum swinging in favor of hiring LPNs and LVNs back to the hospital setting? Nurses General Nursing News

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  1. Should Hospitals Rehire LPNs/LVNs?

    • 87
      Yes
    • 18
      No
  2. Do you think hiring LPNs/LVNs is the answer to the nursing shortage?

    • 47
      Yes
    • 57
      No

105 members have participated

One large healthcare system, Allegheny Health Network in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, has decided to do just that-bring LPNs back to address the staffing crisis.

Note: LVNs (licensed vocational nurses) and LPNs (licensed practical nurses) are the same, but they are called LVNs in CA and Texas. The author speaks from a California perspective and experience.

LPNs/LVNs Pushed Out

Back in the '80s and '90s, LPNs and LVNs worked alongside RNs in all areas of the hospital, including ICUs. Things began to shift in the 90s and 2000's as research showed that better patient outcomes were achieved by BSN-prepared nurses than by non-BSN-prepared nurses. Hospitals, in general, were requiring RNs to have higher education.

In the early 2000's, hospitals began to phase out LPNs and LVNs. In looking at whether hospitals should hire LPNs/LVNs back, it's important to clarify their role and scope of practice.

Difference Between LPNs/LVNs vs RNs In The Hospital

Based on training and licensure, the scope of practice for LPNs/LVNs varies from state to state, but an RN's scope of practice is broader than an LPN's or LVN's scope of practice in every state. 

For example, California's Code of Regulations Title 22 states that patients must be assessed by a Registered Nurse every shift. California hospitals attempted to stay on the right side of Title 22 by parsing language and forcing RNs to "co-sign" LVNs' assessments. When an LVN performed an assessment, it was called "collecting data.” When an RN performed the same assessment, it was called...well, an assessment.

RNs were put in the position of signing their name and license to assessments they did not perform. Unless they followed each patient and listened to breath sounds themselves, they couldn't, in all honesty, co-sign "breath sounds normal.”

RNs were also well over nurse-patient ratios. They had their own 5-6 patients and had to "cover" the LVN's 5-6 patients as well. The difference between "covering" and "being responsible for" was never that clear.

In some facilities, covering an LVN meant the RN was assigned to administer whatever IV fluids, IVP medications, or IV antibiotics the LVN was not licensed to administer. RNs also had to field all the provider calls. LVNs could take a doctor's order by phone but only for orders that fell under their scope of practice. No doctor wanted to give a partial set of orders to an LVN and then wait for an RN to get on the phone to take the rest of the orders for IV antibiotics. All of which led to workflow inefficiencies.

Despite some things they are not licensed to do, LPNs/LVNs can do a great, great deal. They can insert nasogastric tubes, foleys, and IVs. They can administer tube feedings, and hang blood and IV fluids if there is no additive, such as potassium. 

Sandy and Belinda, LVNs

Sandy was an LVN who was about to be let go by her hospital until her nurse manager creatively intervened. Sandy was offered an 8 hr position, working from 1100-1930. Reporting to work at 1100, she immediately rounded on all the RNs to get a list of treatments and procedures. Sandy performed all the pre-lunch fingersticks and administered all of the insulin coverage. She did all dressing changes. It was a telemetry floor in a hospital with a busy cath lab, and she pulled all the femoral sheaths.

Because of her bespoke hours, she helped to cover lunches and even covered the floor during shift report from 1900-1930.

Knowing that Title 22 stipulates that patient teaching and patient assessments are solely the domain of RNs, Sandy's manager made sure she did not take a patient assignment, perform assessments, do patient teaching, or create care plans. In Sandy's case, her manager carved out a job that used her to the top of her license. Many LPNs/LVNs were not so fortunate.

Belinda worked as an LVN in a medium-sized California hospital on MedSurg. She had worked there for two decades when the hospital decided to do away with LVNs. She was given the choice of going back to school immediately for her RN or staying on as a nursing assistant. Belinda was dismayed. She had no interest in going back to school at that time in her life or starting over in a skilled nursing facility. She was demoted to a nursing assistant.

Where did LPNs/LVNs go?

Many LPNs/LVNs left acute care to secure employment in sub-acute facilities, namely skilled nursing facilities. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor, LPNs work in nursing and residential care (35%), hospitals (15%), physician's offices (12%),  home healthcare services (14%), and in the government 7%.

Maybe now the time is ripe for hospitals to hire LPNs/LVNs back.

The Old Team Nursing

Is this a revival of the old team nursing? Yes and No. 

Claire Montgomery Zangerle, CNE of Allegheny Health Network, says bringing LPNs back into hospitals is not a one size fits all proposition.

LPNs/LVNs may work well in MedSurg, for example,  but not in ICU. Some hospitals are finding that LPNs/LVNs are a good fit for the less acute (fast track) sections of ED.

Using LPNs/LVNs to the top of their licensure makes all kinds of sense if it is done right. RNs will need to be educated on how to delegate within their BRN/BON regulations.

Hopefully, hospital leadership will be able to see the tremendous resource...that's always been there.

Are hospitals beginning to hire LPNs/LVNs back? Do you think they should? Are LPNs/LVNs the answer to the nursing shortage?

This isn't just happening in the hospital. I work for a large school district. Previous to this school year you had to be an RN with a bachelor's degree to cover a campus. 

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the federal government allocated billions of dollars to relieve school nurses including funds that could be used to hire more nurses. However, instead of getting more help, much needed experienced nurse assistants were pulled out of large schools leaving the nurse alone with a huge number of students (my campus was about 1400 with 5 special needs units). 

On top of removing the assistants, they added enough extra duties on the nurses that they should have hired people to do those jobs alone, such as contact tracing, notifying contacts, state COVID case reporting, calculating isolation dates for employees and providing COVID-19 testing for students and staff.

Needless to say, we lost a lot of nurses both during and after the last school year. (I went to a small school that does not need an assistant). So, this year they announced that they would be hiring LPNs, "temporarily," to cover vacant campuses. 

This makes all of us nurses nervous about our job security and pay. Also, there are a lot of emergencies that happen on school campuses that require critical thinking and assessment skills. I understand that they feel that this is better than having no one on a campus, but it rattles my cage.

Specializes in PDN, Group home,School nurse,SNF,Wellness clinic.

Yes and no, the issue is their scope of practice. There are certain things they can't do so not only will the RN's have oversee their patients but also cnas plus lpns. Plus I don't know how much faith lpns have with the hospital system considering they've pushed them out , put them back in, pushed them out now wants them back. I don't think a hospital is a reliable place for lpn

Specializes in school nursing, home health,geriactrics, Tele,ICU.

Hello I currently work per diem at a acute care hospital in California that utilizes LVN's on the Tele and medsurge floor and also in the ED. In my hospital in my opinion it works out great working with them on the floor, they are knowledgeable, helpful, and know their scope of practice. They help out with patient care, do all the accuchecks, can start IV's, and assist with discharging patients which is a huge plus in my hospital. It's the little things that make a huge difference. I say bring them back at a fair pay, one of the biggest problems is they try to lowball the LVN's a bit too much, and it's insulting. Some hospitals I have heard would actually pay CNA's more than a LVN. 

Team nursing has been villainized but works extremely well when implemented properly. When I was in nursing school it was 6 patients to an RN-LPN-NA team. Sometimes the NA's had half an additional load (total of 9 patients) but even that did not overload them. It doesn't work at all when it's used by managment to minimize staffing. 

I'd be interested to know why the people who voted "no" to rehiring LPNs did so.

Specializes in CEN, Firefighter/Paramedic.

Most of our LPN colleagues work their butts off, and to deny them the ability to come back to the hospital during this critical nursing shortage due to a perceived threat to "job security" is pure insanity.

Would it be nice for everyone in the hospital to be an RN?  Sure, but to what end.. Should we get rid of techs?  Unit clerks?  Heck, if we're really going for max education, lets get rid of nurses altogether and just force everyone who ever touches a patient to be a physician.

Everyone has their role to play.  LPNs keep me from drowning at work in the ED, and I love them for that. 

 

Specializes in Med/surg,orthopedics,emergency room,.

You know what? I read this article and I am really slightly bothered at the tone of the article. Why is there ALWAYS the connotation that LPNs/LVNs are " less than"? I know many an LPN/LVN that  have mad skills, and can work circles around anyone! Yet, you treat them as second class citizens. NOW, there's a shortage and you are contemplating hiring them back?!

Specializes in CEN, Firefighter/Paramedic.
payitforward said:

You know what? I read this article and I am really slightly bothered at the tone of the article. Why is there ALWAYS the connotation that LPNs/LVNs are " less than"? I know many an LPN/LVN that  have mad skills, and can work circles around anyone! Yet, you treat them as second class citizens. NOW, there's a shortage and you are contemplating hiring them back?!

To be fair - as nurses and humans, we are all equals.  In terms of functionality, there are things that need to be done in the hospital that LPN's legally cannot do in many states.  In my state, LPNs cannot give IV push medications or perform primary assessments - so they are in fact limited in how much help they can provide.

 

That said, if you work within the rules, there are still a great many things that our LPNs do to keep the wheels turning, and they are an invaluable resource.

I'm an LVN in Texas. Nursing is my 2nd career, I became a nurse at 53. I currently worked in a skilled rehab facility and have only 6 long term residents. My patients come in with a plethora of comorbids, most are on IV ABTs via picc or midline, require wound care tx, etc. I have been trained and certified to perform these and many other tasks. I have full knowledge of my scope of practice and will not do anything outside of my scope. To say that an LVN is not qualified to work in the acute setting, isn't a fair statement. Our skills go far beyond chem sticks and insulin administration. I've trained new RN grads on how to work the floor. Most LVNs are an asset not a liability. 

Specializes in Tele, ICU, Staff Development.
voneek said:

Hello I currently work per diem at a acute care hospital in California that utilizes LVN's on the Tele and medsurge floor and also in the ED. In my hospital in my opinion it works out great working with them on the floor, they are knowledgeable, helpful, and know their scope of practice. They help out with patient care, do all the accuchecks, can start IV's, and assist with discharging patients which is a huge plus in my hospital. It's the little things that make a huge difference. I say bring them back at a fair pay, one of the biggest problems is they try to lowball the LVN's a bit too much, and it's insulting. Some hospitals I have heard would actually pay CNA's more than a LVN. 

As a fellow CA nurse, can I ask how many patients you have? Do you cover the LVNs?

Specializes in LTC.

That would be a great opportunity for LVN's that want to work in a hospital. I personally do not want to work in a hospital. The more power to the rest of you LVN's/LPN's that do though! ?

Specializes in school nursing, home health,geriactrics, Tele,ICU.
voneek said:

Hello I currently work per diem at a acute care hospital in California that utilizes LVN's on the Tele and medsurge floor and also in the ED. In my hospital in my opinion it works out great working with them on the floor, they are knowledgeable, helpful, and know their scope of practice. They help out with patient care, do all the accuchecks, can start IV's, and assist with discharging patients which is a huge plus in my hospital. It's the little things that make a huge difference. I say bring them back at a fair pay, one of the biggest problems is they try to lowball the LVN's a bit too much, and it's insulting. Some hospitals I have heard would actually pay CNA's more than a LVN. 

 

Nurse Beth said:

As a fellow CA nurse, can I ask how many patients you have? Do you cover the LVNs?

In our facility we have 4/5 patients on tele and usually 5/6 maybe 7 on med surge depending on the census and staffing. yes, we would cover the Lvn if need be.

Specializes in Med/surg,orthopedics,emergency room,.

I honestly believe that one of the first things that NEEDS to happen is that LPN/LVNs need to be acknowledged as NURSES. We had to study, do clinical and sit boards just as our counterparts did.