Not tell them that a specific employee is working, but that they may be come into contact with an employee who is positive for COVID. 2 Likes More Like This Employee Health During Covid by ThatBLURN, BSN, RN Eighteen Days: My COVID Story by mperry AIDET: Aiming for Quality Service by Judy Campbell Healthcare Workers Still Love Their Jobs by hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I Face Mask Support Frames by Kitiger, RN
toomuchbaloney Specializes in NICU/PICU/Transport/L&D/Hospice. Has 43 years experience. 7,929 Posts Jan 17 Do ethical and moral people intentionally expose vulnerable hospital patients to covid positive staff? 14 Likes
RuralMOSchoolRN, ADN, RN Specializes in ER/School/Rural Nursing/Health Department. Has 16 years experience. 95 Posts Jan 18 On 1/17/2022 at 8:02 AM, toomuchbaloney said: Do ethical and moral people intentionally expose vulnerable hospital patients to covid positive staff? Apparently the CDC would like hospitals to do just that... New regulations state that positive but asymptomatic healthcare workers should NOT quarantine and instead continue working. Also, they want healthcare personnel that are symptomatic positive to return in five days (when data is still out whether they are contagious still... As of a month ago people were still contagious through day 10) 2 Likes
toomuchbaloney Specializes in NICU/PICU/Transport/L&D/Hospice. Has 43 years experience. 7,929 Posts Jan 18 2 hours ago, RuralMOSchoolRN said: Apparently the CDC would like hospitals to do just that... New regulations state that positive but asymptomatic healthcare workers should NOT quarantine and instead continue working. Also, they want healthcare personnel that are symptomatic positive to return in five days (when data is still out whether they are contagious still... As of a month ago people were still contagious through day 10) I consider your characterization a misrepresentation of the guidance. 4 Likes
RuralMOSchoolRN, ADN, RN Specializes in ER/School/Rural Nursing/Health Department. Has 16 years experience. 95 Posts Jan 18 This is from the CDC webpage. Most hospitals, at least in my area, are currently utilizing the crisis designation on this chart. Edited Jan 18 by RuralMOSchoolRN same charts accidently double posted 3 Likes
toomuchbaloney Specializes in NICU/PICU/Transport/L&D/Hospice. Has 43 years experience. 7,929 Posts Jan 18 17 minutes ago, RuralMOSchoolRN said: This is from the CDC webpage. Most hospitals, at least in my area, are currently utilizing the crisis designation on this chart. The science indicates that fully vaccinated individuals who have break through infection with asymptomatic or mild illness are not a substantial threat to spread omicron after day 5. So, while unvaccinated illnesses have our health systems in crisis and at a breaking point staff will be asked by employers to work when feeling unwell. It's too bad we're working on a third year of crisis isn't it. The CDC would like people to get vaccinated and boosted. They would like people to wear masks when in public and avoid crowds. The CDC isn't really wanting contagious people to work in healthcare settings. 5 Likes
Daisy4RN Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg. Has 20 years experience. 1 Article; 2,081 Posts Jan 18 Am I reading the chart correctly, that the CDC is now saying that unvaccinated HCWs can now work even if infected with no post Covid negative test needed. Anyway, I thought they were all fired already. 1 Likes
nursej22, MSN, RN Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,232 Posts Jan 18 Should the hospital inform patients and family that MRSA positive staff may be on the unit? Should we tell them that many of the surfaces in a hospital likely have pathogens? Should we tell them when they sit on the floor that people are often incontinent on the floor? 7 Likes
Daisy4RN Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg. Has 20 years experience. 1 Article; 2,081 Posts Jan 18 11 minutes ago, nursej22 said: Should the hospital inform patients and family that MRSA positive staff may be on the unit? Should we tell them that many of the surfaces in a hospital likely have pathogens? Should we tell them when they sit on the floor that people are often incontinent on the floor? How would we know that any staff was MRSA positive, and even if so they would probably not have an active infection unlike the positive Covid HCW. We did (sometimes) warn people about dirty surfaces and floors, cuz some people are just gross. 3 Likes
MunoRN, RN Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience. 7,912 Posts Jan 18 14 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said: How would we know that any staff was MRSA positive, and even if so they would probably not have an active infection unlike the positive Covid HCW. We did (sometimes) warn people about dirty surfaces and floors, cuz some people are just gross. A positive Covid test doesn't mean the person is still contagious, people who have had an active Covid infection will often continue to test positive for a period of time after they are no longer contagious. For some time now the standard for determining whether someone needs to isolate, for both patients and staff, is a period of time after the onset of symptoms. People are most contagious around the time of symptom onset, and are possibly most contagious before symptoms even start, symptoms typically last far longer than the presence of a replicate-capable virus. 8 Likes
Daisy4RN Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg. Has 20 years experience. 1 Article; 2,081 Posts Jan 19 Maybe it has changed but I had Covid in Oct and was told by the County Health Dept to isolate until no fever for 24 hrs and symptoms were better/improving (subjective!). I believe the PCR test is the one that can give positive results post Covid so people should use the rapid antigen test(which I am sure could also produce a false positive but better results). Also, my County is stating on the website that even though CDC states to isolate for 5 days that 10 is better. 2 Likes
toomuchbaloney Specializes in NICU/PICU/Transport/L&D/Hospice. Has 43 years experience. 7,929 Posts Jan 19 30 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said: Maybe it has changed but I had Covid in Oct and was told by the County Health Dept to isolate until no fever for 24 hrs and symptoms were better/improving (subjective!). I believe the PCR test is the one that can give positive results post Covid so people should use the rapid antigen test(which I am sure could also produce a false positive but better results). Also, my County is stating on the website that even though CDC states to isolate for 5 days that 10 is better. CDC recommends 10 days too. 1 Likes