Shocked At Nurses Actions Tonight

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I work part time at a local SNF / rehab faciliety. On PM and NOC shift it is staffed with 3 or 4 LPNs and one RN charge nurse (tonight it was me). One of our LPNs is a sweet young girl from a very small town near by. She is in a BSN program to become an RN as well. She was late to work and I assinged her to care for a new admit who is recovering from a serious MVA. She took report and went to meet her patient. She came back out of the room about 5 min later very upset. She demanded to know why I hadn't told her the patient was a muslim in report. I asked her why it mattered. She said that "those people are all trying to kill us!" and she couldn't understand why the patient was even admited or even given medical care in America! She flatly refused to provide care for this person. Nothing I said to her had any affect on her. She actually got angry at me for trying to explain why this person needs and deserves nurses care.

I ended up sending her home without pay and doing to work myself. I am only part time at this place and while I supervise LPNs and CNAs I am not their boss with the power to hire and fire. I did write a letter to the DON explaining the stuation and recomending that the LPN be fired. I also intend to inform our state board of nursing of her actions. I had another LPN who heard the whole thing write down what she had heard and submit it to the DON as well.

I consider her to have abandoned a patient that she had taken report and accepted responsibiliety for.

I understand that she is from a small, all white town and know from previous conversations with her that she has never so much as had a conversation with an african america person or any other minority except the Amish (many in this area). She aslo claims to be a very devout christian and is very involved in her church but I think her attitude is not compatable with nursing.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

I guess (and you'll probably be the ONLY one who gets this) to me, it's like having a soldier FTR for COB formation and recomending court martial, whereas a 4856 or even Company level AR-15 would be more appropriate. A lot of my 91WM6 soldiers, who are also now civillians...really do share my thoughts and feelings, and probably, in some distinct way-you get what I'm saying-even if you find her find her actions unreputable.

I do understand the course of action being taken, but...it's hard, I guess, like I said, I understand the problem..just not the POA (plan of action).

*** I get you but I don't agree with you.

I just know, if there was a case on my floor involving an islamic individual, and I could safely refuse the pt. or switch out, I would...if I couldn't, I'd have a hard time with it personally. That's just me. I'm sure a jewish nurse might have a problem treating a self-proclaimed nazi as well...are we going to turn her into the BON as well ?? (This actually has happened at work on my shift before..Jewish gal..sweet as pie, pt. big ole' swastika tattoo).

*** I think your analogy is all wrong. In my view a better one would be a nurse with a big ole' swastika tattoo refusing to care for a jewish patient.

Actually, your opinions DO make you wrong. They aren't just differing opinions. They are wrong.

I DO watch the news, and those on this site can tell you that I have been and remain one of the biggest supporters for the need to go into Iraq.

If you were on active duty, you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and that Constitution has this nagging little principle in it that says we are bound by a kindred not vested in religion.

An America that can declare itself intolerant of any religion puts all religions at risks. 9/11 was not about faith, but about the faithless actions of those that carried out that dastardly deed.

I find myself comforted in knowing beyond a doubt that not just MY God was appalled by their actions, but THEIR God as well. How do I know this? Because the very same Allah of Muhammad is the God of Abraham that I respect and worship.

I find your statement that muslims on the whole harbor terrorists to be factually incorrect and ignorant. Many American muslims (and indeed, worldwide) are just as horrified at 9/11 as you are. In addition, I lived among muslims in Turkey for a year while on active duty and found them to be fierce and respectable allies.

The majority of muslims are peaceful people. While you might contend that is the 'stupidest' thing you've ever heard, I contend THAT belief completely explains your viewpoint. You've based your core beliefs on this issue upon hyperbole, and the disconnect from reality created by such misplaced beliefs is readily apparent.

I'm not attacking you, but your opinion is indefensible and stands in stark contrast to the Constitutional principles you swore to uphold. We are a great nation BECAUSE we repudiate such positions.

~faith,

Timothy.

Well darlin'...when somebody shows up at your door telling your husband/wife won't ever walk again because of a war...a war being fought against a group of Muslims..your opinion on my thoughts might change..until then, don't stand in judgement of me.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Well darlin'...when somebody shows up at your door telling your husband/wife won't ever walk again because of a war...a war being fought against a group of Muslims..your opinion on my thoughts might change..until then, don't stand in judgement of me.

The key difference between us and 'them' is that we are not intolerant of others simply because 'they' are different than us. And the we and us I refer to include a hardy number of muslims.

My opinion wouldn't change because I'm saavy enough not to blame a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. It's a good thing Christianity isn't judged that way in this nation, or I'd be in trouble.

At this point, we'll have to agree to disagree, because otherwise, the thread will be locked and we are off topic.

~faith,

Timothy.

I guess (and you'll probably be the ONLY one who gets this) to me, it's like having a soldier FTR for COB formation and recomending court martial, whereas a 4856 or even Company level AR-15 would be more appropriate. A lot of my 91WM6 soldiers, who are also now civillians...really do share my thoughts and feelings, and probably, in some distinct way-you get what I'm saying-even if you find her find her actions unreputable.

I do understand the course of action being taken, but...it's hard, I guess, like I said, I understand the problem..just not the POA (plan of action).

*** I get you but I don't agree with you.

I just know, if there was a case on my floor involving an islamic individual, and I could safely refuse the pt. or switch out, I would...if I couldn't, I'd have a hard time with it personally. That's just me. I'm sure a jewish nurse might have a problem treating a self-proclaimed nazi as well...are we going to turn her into the BON as well ?? (This actually has happened at work on my shift before..Jewish gal..sweet as pie, pt. big ole' swastika tattoo).

*** I think your analogy is all wrong. In my view a better one would be a nurse with a big ole' swastika tattoo refusing to care for a jewish patient.

That's ok...never could change my PSG mind about anything, either, LOL. I just hope the ends justify the means on this one :)

As long as you feel justified, really, what else matters ? You have to do what you feel is right, and if the Admin. doesn't back you...well...at least you'll feel justified trying right ?

This is how I see the situation.

They came first for the Communists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,

and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,

and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Pastor Martin Niemoller (1892-1984)

Inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial in Boston.

The key difference between us and 'them' is that we are not intolerant of others simply because 'they' are different than us. And the we and us I refer to include a hardy number of muslims.

My opinion wouldn't change because I'm saavy enough not to blame a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. It's a good thing Christianity isn't judged that way in this nation, or I'd be in trouble.

If all you learned from your service to our nation was hate, then you learned nothing about the principles you fought to uphold. The oath you swore on induction to the service was about a different principle altogether.

And that principle? It's the difference between us and 'them'.

~faith,

Timothy.

Tim..no offense, but I won't have this debate with you now..or ever. I will respect you as a person, but you aren't me, you won't get it until it is you. It's not hate..it's not anger. You can preach all you want, and sing in feilds of daisies all day long, that's fine, I'm happy you can do that. I've been on the border of Turkey and Iraq...interesting...the freedom fighters that come in defense of the Iraqi's. (And having to triage a man, you know would shoot you if his arm wasn't blown off, now that's a wonderful memory)

All I can say to you, I guess...May God's peace and blessings be upon you

But I won't debate personal matters.

Specializes in Cardiac, ER.

PMFB et HappyNurse I thank you both for your service to our country.

PMFB you did the right thing. I can't believe this will even be an issue on Monday (other than the obvious nursing shortage). What this nurse did was wrong on so many levels. One must wonder why she is even a nurse, no matter where she is from! I can understand a nurse not participating in activities that are directly in conflict w/his or her own religious beliefs. The large catholic hospital in our town won't allow tubal ligations to be preformed in the facility, our JW nurses refuse to hang blood, but will still care for the pt! If they chose to only care for JW pts, they would rarely have anyone to care for! What this nurse did is not the same thing at all.

I often care for pts that are drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. that are rude, obnoxious, and usually very difficult and time consuming to care for. Most of them are "repeat customers" and are being treated for self induced illnesses. Almost none of them have health insurance and many of them do not appreciate or even want the care I give. But you know what, I do it anyway. I am a nurse. I chose to be a nurse. I take care of sick people. White people, black people, purple people, smart people, stupid people, nice people, rude people, people who have committed crimes......people, human beings who need my care. It is what I chose to do. It was what I was educated to do. It is what my license mandates I do. If you don't want to care for people, don't become a nurse.

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.

I just know, if there was a case on my floor involving an islamic individual, and I could safely refuse the pt. or switch out, I would...if I couldn't, I'd have a hard time with it personally. That's just me. I'm sure a jewish nurse might have a problem treating a self-proclaimed nazi as well...are we going to turn her into the BON as well ?? (This actually has happened at work on my shift before..Jewish gal..sweet as pie, pt. big ole' swastika tattoo).

*** I think your analogy is all wrong. In my view a better one would be a nurse with a big ole' swastika tattoo refusing to care for a jewish patient.

Well, I am a Jewish nurse and I have cared for muslim patients, and white supremacists, also. And I lost family in the holocaust.

A patient is a patient.

I agree that her actions were not correct, but I don't believe it is considered abandonment if the supervisor sends a nurse home. The moment a supervisor sends a nurse home without arranging coverage, then the supervisor is resposible for those patients.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I agree that her actions were not correct, but I don't believe it is considered abandonment if the supervisor sends a nurse home. The moment a supervisor sends a nurse home without arranging coverage, then the supervisor is resposible for those patients.

I absolutely disagree. The moment abandonment occurred was when the nurse absolutely refused to complete an assignment she had already accepted.

Sending her home was simply a consequence for the already de facto decision of the nurse.

Did abandonment occur because the nurse was sent home? Or, was the nurse sent home because abandonment occurred?

Because keeping her there would not have led to her fulfilling her previously accepted assignment, I think the later is the case.

As an aside, a piece of advise to the OP: contact your DON THIS morning. Don't let that fester till Monday. I think you will find that your bosses will MORE upset about not knowing about this sooner than they will be about the action you took.

~faith,

Timothy.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Firing her isn't going to solve jack. All that's going to come of that is fueling her rage furthermore.

Obviously, we're not going to cure her prejudice by firing her. But allowing her to stay sends the message that it's o.k. to discriminate against patients based soley on religion. I would not want her working with me.

If she were a soldier seeing people killed by Muslims and was having flashbacks, or any number of possible reasonable explanations other than merely looking at a person's religion and refusing to care for them based on the ignorant presumption that this (more than likely) American in her assignment is Muslim, then I would perhaps give her the benefit of the doubt.

I still say fire her. Zero tolerance. Sure, she's going to be prejudiced. Perhaps she'll keep it to herself and bite the bullet and care for a person of another faith in the future and realize they are a human being worthy of her care, or perhaps not. But there should be consequences.

I've been following this thread since it started. While I agree with all the OP has done, what I strongly disagree with is waiting until Monday to inform him/her of what has happened. If I was in the upper echelons of admin, I'd be furious that I'd been kept in the dark over a nurse being sent home for a racist event. Who knows what the nurse and her family may be doing/saying over the weekend? The admin deserves the opportunity to decide if they will act before or after the weekend.

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